double tracking effects not chorus

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walters said:
compressor section and then into the expander, or visa versa... or parrallel them both...

use the expander in parallel? with the dry or compressor
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walters said:
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Come on... that makes perfect sense... The drier the better, stirred not shaken... with two olives
 
I liked the guys response who said to use two mic's taped together.

That way that the signal is coming in is actually two different vocal takes. Even though it is the same performance, the space between the mic's will make each track seem like it's own vocal. I've never tried it, but it sounds more interesting than just putting a chorus on it.
 
walters said:
For a live band how can i get my vocals to double track? i don't like how a chorus or pitch shifter sounds its not double tracking layered sounding

The pitch shifters just sounds like a chorus on my vocals

What would u guys do or hook up to try to get a really close double tracking live??
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if anyone else asked, i'd say to either manually double track (sing them again on a seperate track)

or copy the track and shift it a couple milliseconds or so.

But since it's you walters, just cross hybridze your DNA with that of an Emu, then, extract an embryo from your test tube, raise it from a few cells to a full fledged WALMU, send it to Julliard, place unreasonably high expectations on him, and then, once his spirit is completely broken, record bad cover versions of "All I wanna Do" by Sheryl Crow. Record it, submit it to a label, release 1,000,000 copies and retire.

walters....i .....i ..love you
 
Ok here is some advice that isnt useless (with the exception of a handful of responses).

First of all, I'd like to one-up the idea of using a TC Helicon. I have no personal experience with these but I have heard great things and I have heard stuff it was used on. Pretty killer.

Heres another trick that would work just as well if not better. If you can afford it, get an Antares Auto-Tune rack unit. Split your vocal off into two channels (LIVE HERE PEOPLE NOT STUDIO). Use the first channel as your dry signal and put that up front in the mix. Then send the same signal through the Auto-Tune unit, and then through a chorus (100% mix, zero feedback, maximum depth, and with the speed all the way down) and patch that into your second channel right up underneath the main vocal. This should pretty much nail your doubling effect. Do not compress one channel or the other, but if you are going to compress the vocal, sub the two channels to a bus and compress that (or you could compress the signal before you split it). If you compress one channel or the other, the doubling effect will not come across as it should.

But IMO, it would probably be a hell of a lot easier and more repeatable using the Helicon unit.
 
The Auto-Tune unit will tune the pitch of your voice causing certain overtones and pitches to be slightly different from the way you originally did them thus creating a "secondary vocal" (you will have to play with the key, retune speed, and tracking accuracy controls to get the desired effect). However, the auto-tune alone will not be enough in itself to give the full on "double" effect on every part because most likely alot of whats being processed will either have no key (spoken word) or it will be in key anyway (we hope, ha). This is where the chorus effect comes in because it will further shift all pitches a little out from eachother at a slow rate to pick up the slack where the auto-tune is not retuning. I'm pretty sure this technique (combined with other various algorithms) is how units like the TC do their "doubling" tricks.

The TC unit would get you there a little easier, but my solution should be a bit cheaper if you look on the used market.

Oh yeah, and Auto-Tune is really killer to have around in the studio (ssssshhhh.....i didnt say that, :rolleyes: )


~the kid
 
can't i just use a Boss pitch shifter pedal instead of the auto tune??
 
ez_willis said:
Sing on key and you won't need either.
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I'd rather hear an honest out of pitch voice than trickery with gadgets or doubling techniques. Yes I know I'm in the minority on this.
 
producerkid said:
because most likely alot of whats being processed will either have no key (spoken word)

~the kid
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I was not aware that the spoken word was without pitch. I always thought it was. :)
 
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