Double and Triple stop question

[Elmo89m]

I know all of the double and triple stops (minor perfect major) on the first three strings. but i dont know how to use them in the context of a song

for example if im playing in pattern one of the minor pentatonic scale does the stop begin at the first note on any given string or can it begin on any note as long as it is on the write string. second of all can major stops be played in minor scales and vice versa? and can major and minor stops both be played in the same solo within the same scale? thats all i can think of right now...thanks

 

[AlChuck]

???

Is this walters?

 

[Sirnothingness]

Stop. Please Stop.

 

[Elmo89m]

what are you talking about?...thats is nothing like walters....granted the first question is a little bit akwardly worded...but no...hell no...this is a serious question

 

[Codmate]

I'm not certain what you mean in the first part of your question.

The answer to the second part is 'yes'.

Any diatonic scale contains major and minor chords in the same places.
If we're talking the scale of C-Major then the chords go as follows:
Cmaj, Dmin, Emin, Fmaj, Gmaj, Amin, Bmin

You may safely use these triads over progressions in C major.
Of course - not everything will work over everything else.
The choice is down to your ear and continuing study of harmony.

The pattern is the same for all major diatonic scales:
Imaj, IImin, IIImin, IVmaj, Vmaj, VImin, VIImin

If we extend these triads to include a 7th they go:
Imaj7, IImin7, IIImin7, IVmaj7, V7, VImin7 (known as 'dominant seventh'), VIImin7(b5) (also known as 'half diminished).

Experiment by replacing the 5th in your 'triple stops' with the seventh.

Don't stick to just thirds and fifths with your double stops either. Try a root and a seventh or ninth for a nice clash.

Of course, notes outside the given scale/chord should also be used.
Picking them is mostly down to your ear - although there are some harmonic rules that can be useful for picking accidentals and building substitutions.

 

[Scottgman]

I've never heard of a triple stop... isn't that just a triad?

And a double stop would only be played on two strings (unless you are doubling one of the notes?).

But, if I understand your question correctly, I think you are asking about inversions.

This might help... here are three different ways you can play a Cmaj chord on the first three strings:


e|-----3----8----12----|
B|-----5----8----13----|
G|-----5----9----12----|
D|---------------------|
A|---------------------|
E|---------------------|

 

[mshilarious]

I've never heard of a triple stop... isn't that just a triad?

This is more violin lingo than guitar . . . it's three notes played together on adjacent strings. Of course on violin, you can only play two strings at once, so you play the lowest note, then move to the two higher notes really fast. It doesn't have to be a triad, it could be a diad with a note repeated an octave higher. A power chord is a good example.

Codmate, the vii triad is diminished.

 

[Elmo89m]

thanks for answering the secong part....for the first question what i meant was...lets say your soloing in the first pattern on the C minor pentatonic scale. does your minor 3rd double stop(the one on the high e) always have to start on C of the high E string or could it be on D# (the next note when playing the scale)

 

[mshilarious]

thanks for answering the secong part....for the first question what i meant was...lets say your soloing in the first pattern on the C minor pentatonic scale. does your minor 3rd double stop(the one on the high e) always have to start on C of the high E string or could it be on D# (the next note when playing the scale)

You really ought to refer to it as an Eb, it will make things much clearer as you go along.

You can start a chord on any note in that chord. If you start on a note other than the tonic, it's called an inversion. Starting on Eb (the third) would be the first inversion, starting on G would be second inversion. Still a Cm chord, so long as you have the other notes up higher.

Having said that, chords aren't usually thought of as 'starting' on the high note, even if that's called the 'first' string on guitar.

In Scottgman's diagram, the first chord is not inverted, the second is in first inversion, and the last is second inversion.

 

[Elmo89m]

thank you....you totally missed what i was asking but thats my fault..i will try and find better wording for what im asking.

 

[Elmo89m]

OKAY...so the diagram of the minor 3rd dbl stop with its root in the B string is one finger on the B string and one finger on the Estring a whole step back. If i am playing this on the First Pattern of the C minor pentatonic scale does it matter if the root is on the G or can it be on the B flat (both on the b string)..i hope this makes sense

 

[Elmo89m]

Bump ba bum

 

[Scottgman]

If you play that double stop with the root/bass note on the G (8th fret, B string), then both notes would be in the key of Cmin. If you play the same double stop but with the root/bass note on the Bb (11th fret, B string), then the Db you are playing on the E string would be "out of key."

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play it. That doesn't mean it's "wrong." If it sounds good then do it.

 

[famous beagle]

OKAY...so the diagram of the minor 3rd dbl stop with its root in the B string is one finger on the B string and one finger on the Estring a whole step back. If i am playing this on the First Pattern of the C minor pentatonic scale does it matter if the root is on the G or can it be on the B flat (both on the b string)..i hope this makes sense

The short answer to this is no, you shouldn't do that, because as Scott pointed out you'll have an out-of-key Db on the top string.

But, as he also said, there's really no right or wrong in music. If it sounds good to you, it is good.

I'm still trying to figure out why you're asking what you're asking. Why have you brought up the minor pentatonic scale?

In other words, what are you trying to figure out in the big picture?

 

[foo]

I know all of the double and triple stops (minor perfect major) on the first three strings. but i dont know how to use them in the context of a song

for example if im playing in pattern one of the minor pentatonic scale does the stop begin at the first note on any given string or can it begin on any note as long as it is on the write string. second of all can major stops be played in minor scales and vice versa? and can major and minor stops both be played in the same solo within the same scale? thats all i can think of right now...thanks

Rule 1: If it sounds good, it is good.

Rule 2: In the event of any dispute, see rule 1.