Don't expect cheap practice amps ...

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Harvey Gerst said:
Since I was the one making the statement about the 15 watt Fender Frontman driving a Marshall cab, I guess I need to "prove it". These are some very rough mixes from a new album Alex is working on. Each song has the heavy left and right guitars going into a Fender Frontman to a Marshall 1960A cabinet.

I will be taking these tracks down on Wednesday, since it is from an unreleased album:

track 1

track 2

track 3

Hopefully, these tracks will support the point I was trying to make.
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I wish my finished mixes sounded as good as Alex's "Very rough" ones. The samples did very well to illustrate your point. And please, stick around on here. It's nice to have seasoned pros letting us amateurs know how it's done! :)
 
So I wanted to snag one of these, and I'm not seeing any of them that have the speaker out jack. Is there a specific model you got? All I can find are the 15R and 15G
 
What strikes me, is that this type of unorthodox approach should be the very hallmark of "home" recordists, and at least in this episode it took someone who does this for a living to remind us to think this way.

Thanks for the reminder Harvey.

I for one am going to start looking around my studio with renewed curiosity!
 
PhilGood said:
Well, to quote Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday in Tombstone ..."Your no Daisy!".
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3 Cheers for one of the greatest movies ever. Tried to give rep, but I've given it to you too recently.

And true...I'm no daisy.
 
WhiteStrat said:
What strikes me, is that this type of unorthodox approach should be the very hallmark of "home" recordists, and at least in this episode it took someone who does this for a living to remind us to think this way.

Thanks for the reminder Harvey.

I for one am going to start looking around my studio with renewed curiosity!
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Even home recordists dismiss $20 amps as cheap, toy crap sometimes.
 
pipelineaudio said:
I want to know more about the drums!
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So do I! Not to take anything away from the accomplishment with a chea...I mean Inexpensive amp and an incredible technique. I just LOVE those drum tracks.

Harvey, do you think Alex would put something together for us drum recordists and maybe post it in the drum forum?

We get so little in there.:(

Please?
 
On average, at what price range is considered cheap for guitar amps?:confused:
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Since I was the one making the statement about the 15 watt Fender Frontman driving a Marshall cab, I guess I need to "prove it". These are some very rough mixes from a new album Alex is working on. Each song has the heavy left and right guitars going into a Fender Frontman to a Marshall 1960A cabinet.

I will be taking these tracks down on Wednesday, since it is from an unreleased album:

track 1

track 2

track 3

Hopefully, these tracks will support the point I was trying to make.
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Sounds very nice. What guitar did you use?:)
 
WhiteStrat said:
What strikes me, is that this type of unorthodox approach should be the very hallmark of "home" recordists, and at least in this episode it took someone who does this for a living to remind us to think this way.
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I see three problems...
  1. we start to obey "the rules" and stop experimenting the way we used to when we had no idea what the heck we were doing.
  2. we use canned solutions from effects boxes and sample-based keyboards.
  3. we work on the sound after it's in the box rather than getting the right sound before we hit record.
 
PhilGood said:
I just LOVE those drum tracks.

Harvey, do you think Alex would put something together for us drum recordists and maybe post it in the drum forum?

We get so little in there.:(

Please?
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I'll talk to him about it, but he's pretty hard to pin down on his drum technique. I know he'll use up to 3 mics on the kick, and 3 mics on the snare, plus he's using the AEA R84's as overheads. Since he's a drummer, Alex spends a lotta time getting the drums "right" for a song.
 
iqi616 said:
I see three problems...
  1. we start to obey "the rules" and stop experimenting the way we used to when we had no idea what the heck we were doing.
  2. we use canned solutions from effects boxes and sample-based keyboards.
  3. we work on the sound after it's in the box rather than getting the right sound before we hit record.
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Very true... I had myself doing everything by the book for awhile, and while some of the tracks sounded really good, they still didn't have the same energy of the tracks I did a few years earlier when I knew a whole lot less.

I've always admired a musician that made the best of what he had and made it work. A friend of mine once played a song for me that he had recorded the night before. The song had some really odd vocals, but an amazing sounding bass, guitar and drums... I looked around and asked him where the drums came from and he pointed to the coffee table. I'm not sure how he did it and made it sound convincing on his four track, but it was a great example of making something cool out of a less than ideal situation.

While most of us have more to work with than a coffee table to make our music, we should never forget that the rules are made to be broken!
 
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