Does anyone write atheist based songs?

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Well ...............just listen to Pig Vomit and hope for the best.


....And just then he heard from behind the pearly gates "let him in he's one of us"
 
If anyone listened to my song contribution to this thread, what did it say to you?
Athiest? or just cathartic?
Cathartic ! I quite liked "Glass crosses". I've known well many "pastor's kids" and without exception, they've all faced ridiculous pressures, not of their own making, that most people would never put on their own kids or would resent if their kids were put in that position. So the weight of all that was audible to me in that song. It seemed more of a 'get off of my back and leave me alone, I don't need this' than a 'I don't believe' kind of thing. I say that, however, with the benefit of your explanation beforehand.But it's not for me to say. Only you really can. Incidentally, catharsis has been at the wellspring of tons of great songs.
 
My Atheist Song

Hello. I have never posted on this forum and I only found it ten minutes ago. I realize this athiest song question was posted years ago and I'm jumping right into the middle of a conversation, nonetheless, I have an "atheist" song to share. I feel a bit more comfortable calling it a song supporting science, but I'm atheist, so call it what you'd like.

I don't know anything about recording (that's why I found this forum) and you will find out when you listen to my song below. I use a plastic mic and audacity. Yeah.

I'm thinking about taking recording a little more serious, we'll see. I hope you can enjoy my song despite is lack of quality:

The Fire of Science

If you are in the mood to laugh, you can listen to this version I tried to make last night. I am attempting multiple tracks and multiple instruments. Frankly, its a disaster and it doesn't help that the singing makes you want to rip your ear drums out. Still fun though.

Bad Version
 
Actually, science begins with a hypothesis. "Gee, I wonder if this might be true?" you say. Then experiments are designed to test the hypothesis. Then, if a bunch of experimental evidence supports the hypothesis, and it is not disproven by any repeatable experiment, it becomes a theory. If the theory is then supported by a huge amount of testing, and virtually all repeatable tests support it, it becomes a theorem. That takes years. If the theorem is supported by *generations* of repeated tests, with no credible refutation, it becomes *a law*.

Of course, this process is political, which is where science, like religion, is used as a tool by people with agendas, ulterior motives, and power. Gravity is *not* a theory. It is Newton's *LAW* of gravity. However, after about 3,000 years, it is still called "the Pythagorean *theorem*". Don't y'all think it's about time we gave the old Greek his due, and called it "The Pythagorean Law"? For that matter, I would argue that it should now be considered Darwin's *theorem* of Evolution. I think it's about time to have an international scientific symposium to clarify the status of a lot of scientific principles, such as the *hypothesis* of intelligent design.

As far as atheist based music, it would be just as boring as Christian pop-

"I've seen the light , there is no absolute wrong or right.
There's not much difference between ape and man, 'cause no one in particular has a
plan.
So do your thing, love or hate, 'cause unless you think so, nothing is great.
So why be scared that nothing makes sense, It's all the result of random events."

In the end, I think it's really a matter of perspective. They tell me that in the nanosecond before the big bang, what eventually became 100 billion or so galaxies were crammed into a space far smaller than the head of a pin, but that isn't God?! It's not the belief in God that disturbs me, but rather the unsupported hypothesis that it's all about *us*, and that he cares for us. It'll be a while before that one becomes a theory.-Richie
 
Seafroggys said:
Mick Doobie said:
What's the point? I mean, I could write a Christmas song about there not being a Santa Claus, but for what purpose other than sticking my finger in the eye of someone who does believe. Personally, I am a believer.
it goes both ways

Are you saying you get a bit steamed every time you hear the song Santa Claus Is Coming To Town?

But...but...Santa loves you.
 
I mean, I could write a Christmas song about there not being a Santa Claus, but for what purpose other than sticking my finger in the eye of someone who does believe.

This is a good point, and highlights a problem with many 'message' songs. Those supporting the message think it's wonderful; those who don't just turn off. In consequence, nothing is achieved with the message. Worse, it may simply polarise further the listening population.

So if you are writing to promulgate a messge ("there is no God" or "there is a God") you have to be very skilled at doing it in such a way that it will touch those you want to instil a change in; that's not easy to do.
 
This is a good point, and highlights a problem with many 'message' songs. Those supporting the message think it's wonderful; those who don't just turn off. In consequence, nothing is achieved with the message. Worse, it may simply polarise further the listening population.

So if you are writing to promulgate a messge ("there is no God" or "there is a God") you have to be very skilled at doing it in such a way that it will touch those you want to instil a change in; that's not easy to do.
I think this is one of the key points of this entire thread. I was making a point somewhat earlier in the day that there was a major difference {at least, in my mind} between songs by people that may have been atheist and 'atheist' based songs. Of course there's an overlap {there has to be !:D}. Message songs aren't themselves necesarilly so much the problem for me, there are many great message songs that one may not read as such because the message is either subtle or is subservient to what is a great song. It's when putting forth the message takes precedence over the song that I get uppity. Despite being a christian, that's where so much christian rock of the last 45 years has fallen down for me, even though there's lots of stuff there that I like. And I'd say the same thing about alot of reggae of the 70s/80s. You can only say so much about slavery and racism before it gets boring. You can only say so much about sex a la Aerosmith before you think, 'change the record lads !'. You can only say so much about drugs before it becomes a sludge etc, etc. But the good ones.....I was surprized when I discovered "She's a woman", "Day tripper", "Got to get you into my life" and "She said She said" were drug songs, according to their authors. Good message songs are songs first....
I guess once you've stated 'God doesn't exist' in song, unless you can put it skilfully and subtly, to keep on repeating it just gets monotonous. Like alot of things, really.
 
Actually, science begins with a hypothesis. "Gee, I wonder if this might be true?" you say. Then experiments are designed to test the hypothesis. Then, if a bunch of experimental evidence supports the hypothesis, and it is not disproven by any repeatable experiment, it becomes a theory. If the theory is then supported by a huge amount of testing, and virtually all repeatable tests support it, it becomes a theorem. That takes years. If the theorem is supported by *generations* of repeated tests, with no credible refutation, it becomes *a law*.

I think you're confusing fields. Theorem is a mathematics term. Theory and law are science terms.
 
Yo Vomithatsteve! I stand corrected. That's the cool thing about science (and mathematics).
You can be proven wrong, admit that you are wrong, and move on. But I'm sure even you would admit that the world is flat, and on the back of a turtle.-Richie
 
One of you mentioned the "theory" of gravity along with evolution, etc.

Gravity isn't a theory. It's a law because it can be replicated by anyone, especially those who skateboard professionally or walk tightropes.
 
One of you mentioned the "theory" of gravity along with evolution, etc.

Gravity isn't a theory. It's a law because it can be replicated by anyone, especially those who skateboard professionally or walk tightropes.

And even more so by those who don't skateboard professionally.
 
Jane's Addiction has a song called "I had a Dad" in which they state, "God is Dead. He's not there at all."

I always found that a bit sad.
 
Hell, I thought all most all rock and roll music was atheist? I mean it may not come out and say "There's no god" but, plenty of music is written that expresses or encourages any number of actions in a way that suggests no consequences. I mean isn't that an Atheist song? They don't praise or glorify any god. Rather they glorify in Christian terms, secularism, embracing pretty much all forms of worldly pleasure. John Lennon's song imagine. He pretty much spells it out. So I guess that a Christian based song is always going to come back to one thing, God. An atheist based song could come back to pretty much anything but God;)


F.S.
 
. . .plenty of music is written that expresses or encourages any number of actions in a way that suggests no consequences. I mean isn't that an Atheist song? They don't praise or glorify any god. Rather they glorify in Christian terms, secularism, embracing pretty much all forms of worldly pleasure. John Lennon's song imagine. He pretty much spells it out.

Atheism is not a synonym for hedonism, which is the implication of the above. Nor does Christianity have a mortgage on morality, which is also implied above. Not all secular songs dwell solely on "sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll", and as it happens, trite as it is, "Imagine" is a good example of a song that deals with some of problems of this world that exist in Christian and non-christian nations.
 
Hell, I thought all most all rock and roll music was atheist? I mean it may not come out and say "There's no god" but, plenty of music is written that expresses or encourages any number of actions in a way that suggests no consequences. I mean isn't that an Atheist song? They don't praise or glorify any god. Rather they glorify in Christian terms, secularism, embracing pretty much all forms of worldly pleasure. John Lennon's song imagine. He pretty much spells it out. So I guess that a Christian based song is always going to come back to one thing, God. An atheist based song could come back to pretty much anything but God;)


F.S.
I don't think your last two sentences apply at all as a 'given'. They obviously do in some, many, cases. But this thread as a subject, I find there is too much pigeonholing going on. I feel that it's important to recognize nuances and grey areas. That recognition doesn't mean one supports one way over another.
Sure, there are songs that point to hedonism and don't focus on the consequences but that hardly makes them atheist. In fact many writers who knocked out 'good time sex, drugs and rock and roll' believed in God. They weren't interested in living God's way though. And the Judeo-Christian morality, even the watered down version, was what most Western rock, soul, blues, jazz, pop and reggae artists prior to 1990 would have been in some measure exposed to, be it thru school, family, friends, telly, politics, many spheres. That's not to say the west was full of religious people, but rather, that it was the dominant moral climate in which the majority of rock's shapers grew up in. And it shows in hundreds of songs. The rejection of aspects of those values, I see less as being a rejection of God {I read a newspaper article yeaterday in which Ringo Starr said he'd been "searching for God since the 60s"} per se, rather, a throwing off of the values of their parents and grandparents and establishing their own. After slavery, colonialism, 2 world wars and the dropping of the atomic bomb, not to mention a medieval period in which Europe was racked with religiious inspired warfare and subterfuge {to name but a few} so often in God's name {whether stated or implied} and with all the consequences that this brought, it's hardly surprizing.
Truth is, those of us born say, between 1930 and 1980 have lived in one of history's most socially turbulent periods but we've been kind of fortunate that much of that turbulence and confusion has been reflected in many, many songs.
 
Atheism is not a synonym for hedonism, which is the implication of the above. Nor does Christianity have a mortgage on morality, which is also implied above. Not all secular songs dwell solely on "sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll", and as it happens, trite as it is, "Imagine" is a good example of a song that deals with some of problems of this world that exist in Christian and non-christian nations.
Gecko Zzed and I are on polar opposites of the universe when it comes to God. Yet virtually everything he's said in this thread, I've agreed with, which kind of indicates that certain accepted 'givens' are not as black and white as they initially appear. It's true that alot of rock from the 50s thru the 80s put many 'secular' things in 'christian' terms {Ray Charles caused a furore when he used gospel music for secular songs - there was less outcry when sentiments in songs, once addressed to God began to be addressed to women} but that was kind of inevitable given the transition that was going on.
A really good book worth reading if you can find it and are interested is "Hungry for heaven - rock'n'roll and the search for redemption" by Steve Turner.
 
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