Do You Know?

[Roel]

To anyone who is interested: you can take a very abbreviated online version of the test here.... http://www.colorquiz.com/ this test takes about 5 minutes whereas the full test and analysis could literally take hours....The shortened version won't be as accurate but It will probably make some sense.

Ok... I did that test. The first result it gave me was: "Your Existing Situation: Having difficulty in standing up to the demands imposed on him. Finds a great effort is involved and wishes to have the situation eased." NO KIDDING!

Other result: "Your Desired Objective
Needs release from stress. Longs for peace, tranquillity, and contentment."

Jee... These things really pretty obvious. You could probably all tell that from the posts I made in the last few days. But it is pretty amazing that they can tell from the colors I've chosen....

 

[nave]

Yah Roel, judging from your recent cave threads I would say that those descriptions depict your situation pretty accurately....The amazing thing about the Luscher Color test is that it indicates that the colors you chose at a specific time will almost always apply directly to specific things that are going on in your life in the "now." If you took it a couple months from now, or even a week from now you would choose the colors in a different order; an order that would reflect the current circumstances of your life at that time. You would be amazed at the specifics that would be decifered if you had taken the unabridged test


I first starting taking the test because one of my fine arts professors at the univeristy I was attending (I guy who also had a doctorate in psyche) handed out the full luscher color test to all the students......It was all photo copies; a big fat booklet of them a couple hundred pages long........He even charged us all like 5$ bucks for the photocopies......I was like this is bullshit....Anyway, he only made us administer the abridged version to ourselves...I started giving the short test to myself regularly for fun and I actually thought it was quite rediculous and pretty much ranked it next to astrology in my mental file cabinent, even inspite of it's apperent accuracy.....However, later on, after administering the full test to myself and reading all the research in that god damn mountain of photocopies that I paid five bucks for ,I realized that it is truely an amazingly accurate psychological tool. The research that went into developing the test is extrodinarily insightful and comprehensive......I still have those dittos in my file cabinent.....It was five bucks well spent......I am now convinced that Mr. Luscher was infact a genius to the umpteenth degree

 

[nave]

C7

>>>>>>>>>>>This represents a barrier between the compensatory colors which proceed it and the remaining colors.



This has to do with the fact that the Luscher test, being as comprehensive as it is, takes into account not only the order in which you choose the colors individually, but it also groups certain colors together and forms analysis (what the hell is the plural of that word?) based on the color groupings. And since you have to choose the colors twice, it also picks up on common groupings between the two selections.......It gets really hard to explain and there is really no point in trying to explain it without reading the Luscher papers....But the bottom line is that certain colors (i.e. groups) indicate conflicts when they are next to each other in the order you select them, but only when other specific groupings of colors follow or preceed them......In other words the grouping of the colors indicating the conflict would not be indicating it if they had been followed or preceeded by other specific groupings; groupings that would serve to balance everything out psychically speaking......Confusing eh? Yah, the luscher test is....You should see the goddamn research and complexity of the test written out...it's mind boggling....

Anyway, That is my vague recollection of what that statement above means AND without knowing the specific selections you made it is impossible for me to say exactly what it is referring to......Even still, everytime I re-take the test myself I have to refer to the booklet constantly because the test is soooooo comprehensive that it is nearly impossible to remember so much as even half of what everything in it means. perhaps later, if you are interested I could look that statement up....

 

[barefoot]

......Confusing eh? Yah, the luscher test is....You should see the goddamn research and complexity of the test written out...it's mind boggling....

Oh no, there's a psychologist in the house!

Mind boggling complex? This says nothing about the validity of the test, and actually makes me all the more skeptical. If you get into astrology deeply enough, it becomes mind boggling complex as well. And this complexity tends to be a recipe for making any answer you happen to get fit any particular situation you happen to encounter.

So, I did a little experiment. I generated two randomly ordered lists using the numbers 1 through 8.

67481235
68134752

I used these two lists to choose the respective order of colors in the first and second sets of the test, with the numbers corresponding to the positions below.

1234
5678

Here are the results:

Your Existing Situation

The fear of rebuff and the extreme caution of his approach make it difficult for him to achieve the degree of intimacy and identification he desires.

Your Stress Sources

Unfulfilled hopes have led to uncertainty and apprehension. Needs to feel secure and to avoid any further disappointment, and fears being passed over or losing standings and prestige. Doubts that things will be any better in the future and this negative attitude leads him to make exaggerated demands and to refuse to make reasonable compromises.

Your Restrained Characteristics

Emotionally inhibited. Feels forced to compromise, making it difficult for him to form a stable emotional attachment.<P>Trying to calm down and unwind after a period of over-agitation which has left him listless and devoid of energy. In need of peace and quiet; becomes irritable if this is denied him.<P>

Your Desired Objective

Feels too much is being asked of him and is tired out, but still wants to overcome his difficulties and establish himself despite the effect such an effort would house on him. Proud, but redesigned in his attitude. Needs recognition, security, and fewer problems.

Your Actual Problem

Disappointment and the fear that there is no point in formulating fresh goals have led to anxiety. Desires recognition and position, but is worried about his prospects. Reacts to this by protecting at any criticism and resisting any attempt to influence him. Tries to assert himself by meticulous control of detail in an effort to strengthen his position.

Now some of this I find difficult to relate to, but most of it I feel applies to me in some way. The funny thing is, this is the same thing I thought about the results of the first test I took where I actually did pick the colors in order of preference. And those result painted a very different personality profile than these random results. Here are my original test results:

Your Existing Situation

Orderly, methodical, and self-contained. Needs the respect, recognition, and understanding of those close to him.

Your Stress Sources

Wants a partner with whom he can share fully in an atmosphere of cloudless serenity, but his compulsion to demonstrate his individuality leads him to adopt a critical and demanding attitude. This introduces discord and leads to alternating periods of drawing closer and drawing apart, so that the ideal state he desires is not allowed to develop. Despite the urge to gratify his natural desires, he imposes a considerable self-restraint on his instincts in the belief that this demonstrates his superiority and raises him above the common herd. Discerning, critical and particular, having taste and discrimination. These qualities, combined with his tendency to judge things for himself and to express his opinions with authority. He enjoys the original, the ingenious and the subtle, striving to ally himself with others of similar taste who can help him in his intellectual unfolding. Desires admiration and the esteem of others.

Your Restrained Characteristics

Distressed by the obstacles with which he is faced and is no mood for any form of activity or for further demands on him. Needs peace and quiet, and the avoidance of anything which might distress him further.
Conditions are such that he will not let himself become intimately involved without making mental reservations.

Your Desired Objective

Alert and keenly observant. Is seeking fresh avenues offering greater freedom and the chance to make the most of them. Wants to prove himself and to achieve recognition. Striving to bridge the gap which he feels separates him from others.

Your Actual Problem

Feels insufficiently valued in his existing situation, and is seeking different conditions in which he will have greater opportunity of demonstrating his worth.

Your Actual Problem #2

Intensely critical of the existing conditions which he feels are disorganized or insufficiently clear-cut. Is therefore seeking some solution which will clarify the situation and introduce a more acceptable degree of order and method.

It would be interesting to devise a double blind experiment to test peoples ability to distinguish their own results from randomly generated results.

nave, I'm not trying to put down your vocation. But, when I see at this stage of development of the very soft science of psychology any to attempts to characterize the "mind bogglingly complex" human interactions of biology, environment, experience, conditioning, culture, etc. using a color test, or any other test for that matter, I get very skeptical. To me it sounds like trying to characterize the weather by throwing colored pieces paper into the air and watching how they fall.

barefoot

 

[nave]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nave, I'm not trying to put down your vocation. But, when I see at this stage of development of the very soft science of psychology any to attempts to characterize the "mind bogglingly complex" human interactions of biology, environment, experience, conditioning, culture, etc. using a color test, or any other test for that matter, I get very skeptical. To me it sounds like trying to characterize the weather by throwing colored pieces paper into the air and watching how they fall.


I completely understand your point....Infact I was positive that someone was going to make the point: that the results are so general that they could theoretically apply to anyone at any given time in their life.......kinda like astrology he he he


I also understand that psychology is a soft science. However, when I say that it's complex in it's research and comprehension I mean exactly that. The research for the Luscher Color test is probably one of the most comprehensive psychological tests ever developed... Keep in mind this is an abbreviated form of the test.... Believe it or not factors like "biology, environment, experience, conditioning and culture" are all taken into careful consideration in the Luscher research and also are reflected when the full test is administered.....There is also extensive analysis of the nervous system and it's responses to colors taken into consideration and also how those nervous sytems responses correlate to general forms of neuroses and psychoses.......I think if you administered the full test to yourself several times you wouldn't be as skeptical....


All things being equal, you don't have to believe it and I'm not asking you to......A bit of skepticism is healthy as they say.....However, being skeptical of anything because the research is too extensive and too complex is, in my view, probably not the best reason to be skeptical.....My opinion regarding any research is usually that of the "more is better" school of thought........


Also as I've mentioned the Luscher color test draws upon quite a bit of "hard science" that deals with the brain and nervous system.....To this date, contemporary researchers have even added more hard science into the luscher equation inorder to make the test that you now take more effective.....

I also understand that astrology is extrodinarily complex but astrology is much more of a "soft science" than psychology is....Having said that, I think that anyone who truely researches astrology would have to admit that there is at least a fragment of truth to it as there is no doubt at least a fragment of truth to the Luscher test.........Perhaps, more then just a fragment because of the extensive comprehension of the research....


That said, although the Luscher test is complex in it's nature the fundamentals of it are really quite straight forward.....It's simple: colors have the same inherent meanings to all people; with a few exceptions to certain cultures ....Some of these meanings are conditioned by society but most of them are unconditioned or inotherwords conditioned by the environment and/or biology of the body; or a combination of the two......And when I say environment I am infering to the environment that we all grew up in....not as in your family environment, or my family environment.....These meanings of the colors that were the product of undconditioned responses to the environment were ingrained into our psyches milleniums ago when we were climbing down from the trees......The meanings of these colors and our reponses to those meanings were long ago integrated into our biology and such......meanings and responses that for the most part are universal to all people... This is the basis of the test...and these basic factor can be measured in the nervous system and that is hard science....


The colors you favor/choose do indicate to some extent what is going on in your head.....Choosing a color is a behavior.....Every behavior to a large extent is indicative of a persons cognitive process....There is little or no way around that.......I think that is the lesson of the Luscher color test. Now, whether or not you want to believe that the results of the Luscher color test are accurate and that the test can tell you just what it is that is going on in your head will always be up for debate....at least in this lifetime....The point is that behaviors do indicate what's going on in the mind because the mind is the only force that is driving behaviors. And like I said, choosing a color is a behavior as is everything else you do......Decifering what a particular behaviors psychological correlate is, is a bit tricky....But there is no doubt that there are psychological correlations of every behavior.....If you can accept those facts in combination with the idea that colors have universal meanings for all people that are reflected in the biology of the body and mind then the Lushcer color test is a long shot from astrology


But Take it with a grain of salt as I'm sure you will.......and feel free to knock psychology anytime you want ...It will always be knocked as long as it is a soft science...but that will one day change as biology and physics and other fields merge together...eventually there will be a psychology that is very much a hard science...perhaps the luscher test is that breed of psychology in it's embryonic form.....As for me I just like to talk and discuss psyche...... whilst I am educated in the field it is not my vocation and I don't ever forsee myself practicing in the field.....I would inevitably have to get more education to do so at the level I would like to....at college I did a double major of psyche and fine arts and in the end I made the choice to continue to my education in the fine arts not psyche.........


And that means that I don't have to put up with listening and decifering the minds of all you screwed up people and your screwed up color choices....AND thank god for that

 

[barefoot]

The complexity of the research and the model isn't what really bothers me. Human beings are incredibly complex and therefore the model should be incredibly complex. What bothers me is the complexity of the model relative to the complexity of the actual system, the amount of input data relative the number of variables, and the resulting specificity of the predictions.

I just read an article about a group of scientists who used the currently fastest supercomputer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to model the propagation of a crack in a 1000x1000x1000 atom cube of iron. The calculation took 5 days.

Now, I have little doubt that all the factors which contribute to building an individual's complete physiological profile are orders of magnitude MORE complicated than the mechanical properties of a uniform 0.125 micron cube of iron atoms. I also, even being completely ignorant of the methodology, have little doubt that Luscher's color preference personality model is orders of magnitude LESS complicated than this iron crack propagation problem which took a 12.3 teraflop supercomputer 5 days to solve.

So when you're faced with trying to model a system which has vastly more variables than the number of input data you can offer and vastly more interactions than you can hope to account for, you're forced limit your predictions to such broad statements that they become true for virtually all variations of the system. In other words, the model is for all intents and purposes meaningless.

Then you aslo have to get into the whole problem of experimental verification of the model. And when it comes to emotions and states of mind this is very sticky because you have to rely on the subjective opinions of the test subjects and/or observers as to what degree the model's predictions are correct.

Anyhow, this is a fun topic to ponder. Thanks for taking up the debate. I'm just glad I'm a physicist because we usually have the luxury of choosing problems which we have a reasonable hope of solving.

 

[Henri Devill]

Are you feeling BLUE?
I was so mad I was seeing RED!
You got a YELLOW streak runnin down your back!LOL..
And Im sure there are many more...Funny how colors desribe a emotion...Visual triggers I guess..

Don

P.S. Advertisers understand the phsycology of colors and use it in maketing their products..ie Supermarkets

 

[getuhgrip]

I started out with bare, spartan, slate blue walls. It all looked very professional and organized, but not very inspiring.

I am now building my blacklite poster collection and shopping for a good light. Some fresh shrooms will no doubt complete the effect.