Do I need a gate for drums

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I have a chance to get one at a good price ($100.00) for 5 channels.

I'll use it for recording drums, if I really need it. Do I need it or is G.A.S. rearing it's ugly head again.
 
It really depends if you are having problems with things like a snare drum leaking into other mics that you want isolated? So if you want to specifically isolate things then the answer is yes.

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Pier Calacino said:
It really depends if you are having problems with things like a snare drum leaking into other mics that you want isolated? So if you want to specifically isolate things then the answer is yes.

I totally disagree, unless you record straight to analog tape and don't dump to a DAW.
 
If your using a computer just use a plugin. If not your money would probably be better spent elsewhere anyway.
 
First, I would not be tracking with gates. Second, I would be worried about gates that only cost $20 a channel. Either way my answer would be no unless you are mixing in the analog domain and do not have any gates yet. I am sure you can find somewhere else to spend that money;)
 
xstatic said:
Second, I would be worried about gates that only cost $20 a channel.

Interesting! How about around $35 per gate?

http://www.phoenixlightandsound.com/Audio/HeavyBrothers

Take a listen. All of those drum tracks (except Business As Usual) were TRACKED with Behringers gates on, and used again at mix down to shorten tom decay where needed. So, two instances of gates! Of course, we did trigger the gate opening with triggers on the heads. It was very cool!

I don't hear the gates getting in the way here. ;)
 
If you don't know if you need a gate or not, you don't need one.
 
ez_willis said:
If you don't know if you need a gate or not, you don't need one.

True! If you are mixing in the computer, I wouldn't bother with an analog gate at all! Digital gates have LOOK AHEAD! :)
 
Well, first off... the Behringer gates are not all that bad like one might think. Second, plenty of of other cheapy gates sound pretty bad. Third, if the Behringers are not clicking a little as they open, good job ( or else the triggers worked;) ). Fourth, having better gates can make an audible difference, or else every one in the industry would just buy the Behringer. I was not trying to imply that even if they were cheap gates that they could not be used to still produce quality work. Then again, why buy something that is shoddy AND unnecessary...
 
gates are overrated

i was taught by a so-called professional that you should "always" gate drums, in order to reduce bleed into the close mics. of course, i started doing this all the time...then i started going so far as to cut out all the silent areas of the drum tracks, especially the toms

then i started a project last month where i was listening to all of my raw drum tracks simultaneously, and happened to mute the tom tracks - only to find that the loss of the bleed from them totally killed the spatial quality of the recording. the extra little bit of cymbals and snare that was picked up on those tracks helped to "fill out" the overall sound, giving me more depth and a better stereo image

anyways...buy what you want. it's your money and your recordings that are at stake, not mine!
 
Most decent gates will also have a facility for deciding how much of the signal youa re gating out. For some styles of music, I find gates do make things sound a little thin or narrow. Bleed is not usually the reason I gate things however. For example, if I am doing rock music and I want a big chunky tom sound, that is not going to come from the overheads, room etc... A lot of that part of the drum sound comes from the tom mics. Even on a well tuned well played kit, there is a good chance that the toms will resonate when not being played. The result is between 2 and however many toms on the kit that may each be resonating their own little tone when things like kick and even snare are hit. Depending on the hardware used to mount the toms and the type of cymbals themselves, even cymbals can set this off. It can create a nasty little chorus of resonance when the toms are at mix level. Gates help reduce how much of that resonance is audible in your drum mix when the toms themselves are not being played. With decent gates you can set them so that when they are closed they are only cutting out 6db, 20 db, all of the output etc... This way you can use them a little more "lightly" without false gate triggers as often. I find them to be like any other tool. Better ones often sound better and are easier to use, cheaper ones often aren't. In the end however, making a bad decision to use one or just choosing to set it up poorly can certainly have adverse effects on your mix. Either way, I do not track with gates. In my opinion, there is no advantage to tracking with them because they generally do not have any dramatic effect on the sound of what is recorded as far as tone and accuracy goes. They do however add the possibility (or probability for that matter) of missing important bits of information (like maybe a soft hit) and screwing up the integrity of the tracking chain. Compression however is a different story. I use compression primarily for tonal changes, especially during the tracking phase. If you are mixing in the analog realm especially, you may have to do some comping in the tracking phase due to having a limited amount of hardware available during mixdown. This could of course be the case with gates as well, but most people who have hardware gates also have enough of them to cover the bases during mixdown. With compression, outboard EQ etc... this is often not the case unless you are in a larger studio.
 
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