drstawl
Banned
There's been some problem with the server here so your whole thread got nixed.
Repost. Your mix ROCKED!!
Repost. Your mix ROCKED!!
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Fat. Absolutely fat.
Great bass tone, MUCH better guitar sound overall than what you've done in the past. You use programmed drums right? They even sound better.
I dig the subtle stereo guitar tradeoff at around 1:10 and 2:05. I'm assuming you recorded 2 guitars and panned one left & one right...right? Sounds great.
The kick drum seems to be drowning your bass a little though...
So, have you thought about jumping off the vocal cliff? I can hear complete songs in the stuff you've posted...the only thing missing is a vocal line for direction... I bet you could write some great stuff.
Nice work!
Slackmaster 2000
Great bass tone, MUCH better guitar sound overall than what you've done in the past. You use programmed drums right? They even sound better.
I dig the subtle stereo guitar tradeoff at around 1:10 and 2:05. I'm assuming you recorded 2 guitars and panned one left & one right...right? Sounds great.
The kick drum seems to be drowning your bass a little though...
So, have you thought about jumping off the vocal cliff? I can hear complete songs in the stuff you've posted...the only thing missing is a vocal line for direction... I bet you could write some great stuff.
Nice work!
Slackmaster 2000
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dmcsilva
New member
Thanx drstawl:
If you explain to me what DC offset is, I can probably tell you how it got onto this mix.
here is the URL:
If any of you have previous mp3's I've posted, compare them to this and let me know what you think. I think there is a lot of improvement across the board. The better bass sound is due to a new bass that is easier to play and has active pickups. It's amazing what active EMG's do for the sound. Also, I think I finally hit my amp's sweet spot with microphone placement and settings, because, to me, the guitar tone sounds much better than what I've been getting. But then, I'm biased.
It's a pretty big file, so I really appreciate anyone taking the time to download.
Let me know what you guys think.
dmc
[This message has been edited by dmcsilva (edited 12-28-1999).]
If you explain to me what DC offset is, I can probably tell you how it got onto this mix.
here is the URL:
If any of you have previous mp3's I've posted, compare them to this and let me know what you think. I think there is a lot of improvement across the board. The better bass sound is due to a new bass that is easier to play and has active pickups. It's amazing what active EMG's do for the sound. Also, I think I finally hit my amp's sweet spot with microphone placement and settings, because, to me, the guitar tone sounds much better than what I've been getting. But then, I'm biased.
It's a pretty big file, so I really appreciate anyone taking the time to download.
Let me know what you guys think.
dmc
[This message has been edited by dmcsilva (edited 12-28-1999).]
drstawl
Banned
When you see a representation of a wave, it's usually centered around 0 volts with peaks extending both positive and negative. When DC offset is applied, the center is moved away from zero. Your tune had two sections where both channels never got into negative territory for a few seconds. I'll post a .jpg of what I'm talking about, but I've got to get back to the salt mines now.... 
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dmcsilva
New member
drstawl:
I compared this mp3 to one of the same tune without the flange and delay added during the drum breaks. Looks like the addition of fx was the culprit...more specifically the interaction between the delay and the flanger. I'm guessing that conflicting delay times and/or feedback %'s between the two fx made the wave form do somersaults. I am going to test this theory tonight to see what happens when I change some of the settings.
dmc
I compared this mp3 to one of the same tune without the flange and delay added during the drum breaks. Looks like the addition of fx was the culprit...more specifically the interaction between the delay and the flanger. I'm guessing that conflicting delay times and/or feedback %'s between the two fx made the wave form do somersaults. I am going to test this theory tonight to see what happens when I change some of the settings.
dmc
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Layth
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DMC, I know your stance on dancing, if I remember that old post of yours correctley but I was home alone and bouncing all over the place even shook my booty!
I agree with Slack, vocals, vocals, vocals. If you can't do them get your wife to do em, LOL.
I agree with Slack, vocals, vocals, vocals. If you can't do them get your wife to do em, LOL.
S8-N
..|.. Part-time Antichrist ..|..
Yes that mix is HOT!!! I played it side by side with my new song and it made my shit sound like it was coming from inside a cereal box. Back to the drawing board. That guitar sound is right on. That's coming from what kind of amp? What are you recording your bass through? I've been stuck using POD Layer and EQing some of the treble out. It sucks. I play a Charvel bass with active EMG's but no amp.
The song kinda reminded me of Godsmack, although it seemed to loose its balls in that empty drum fill part.
You're lucky you're using a drum machine, I've been spending the majority of my time wrestling with drum tracks.
The song kinda reminded me of Godsmack, although it seemed to loose its balls in that empty drum fill part.
You're lucky you're using a drum machine, I've been spending the majority of my time wrestling with drum tracks.
Brad
New member
Very nice. I am listening on my little toy speakers at work, so I am noticing that kick over the tasty bass tones. I can't wait to get home and take a listen on better speakers. What kind of drum machine/samples are you using? They sound great.
If you don't plan on lyrics, then maybe a strong build up and a tight ending on that song would add to it. On a hot instrumental like yours, I like a serious kick in the ass at the end. Just a thought. It rocks just fine the way it is.
If you don't plan on lyrics, then maybe a strong build up and a tight ending on that song would add to it. On a hot instrumental like yours, I like a serious kick in the ass at the end. Just a thought. It rocks just fine the way it is.
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Emeric
New member
Wicked stuff DMC!
That bass tone is excellent, was hoping maybe you would have a reprise at somepoint with it in the spotlight.. Like the guitar as well. The kick does like it could be brought down a touch. Great stuff, look forward to more.
Emeric
That bass tone is excellent, was hoping maybe you would have a reprise at somepoint with it in the spotlight..
Like the guitar as well. The kick does like it could be brought down a touch. Great stuff, look forward to more.Emeric
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dmcsilva
New member
Thanks to everyone for their responses. I have heard awesome work from most of you, so your comments mean more to me than the average listener. I would be lying if I said that I wasn't much happier with this song from both a musical and a mix quality standpoint than anything I've done.
S2K: I am still considering the vocal leap with much trepidation. If vocal range could be measured in distance, mine wouldn't reach to my front door-and if you saw my house you'd know that's not very far.
Layth: Whichever chromosomal aberration lead to the development of dancing is probably strongly linked to the development of music, so I can't knock it too hard.
Brad: The drums were done with Fruity Loops software using samples from Kavlava (or whatever the hell it is) Drum Archive.
S8-N: The guitar sound is from a Boogie SOB. It was their bottom of the line amp back in '85 and it still kicks much ass (thanks for that Xmas present, Dad). I've held on to it for 15 years. I'm using an RP-12 as a preamp only, for distortion-no fx. I didn't even add any SW fx to the guitar tracks. Three things I did do that I haven't been doing:
1. Mic (sm57) my amp slightly off to oneside angling downwards straight towards the middle of the cone.
2. Record the same guitar lines(for the most part) on 2 tracks.
3. Split those 2 tracks hard left and hard right-like S2K commented on.
The bass is going straight into a Mackie board using the board's preamp and a Boss eq looped into the aux send/return.
Also, I agree with you on the testicle misplacement during the drum breaks; I have since re-recorded and it sounds much better.
Emeric: I also agree with your comment about the drums only instead of lowering their level, I brought everything else up.
I appreciate all of you taking the time to download and respond.
dmc
S2K: I am still considering the vocal leap with much trepidation. If vocal range could be measured in distance, mine wouldn't reach to my front door-and if you saw my house you'd know that's not very far.
Layth: Whichever chromosomal aberration lead to the development of dancing is probably strongly linked to the development of music, so I can't knock it too hard.
Brad: The drums were done with Fruity Loops software using samples from Kavlava (or whatever the hell it is) Drum Archive.
S8-N: The guitar sound is from a Boogie SOB. It was their bottom of the line amp back in '85 and it still kicks much ass (thanks for that Xmas present, Dad). I've held on to it for 15 years. I'm using an RP-12 as a preamp only, for distortion-no fx. I didn't even add any SW fx to the guitar tracks. Three things I did do that I haven't been doing:
1. Mic (sm57) my amp slightly off to oneside angling downwards straight towards the middle of the cone.
2. Record the same guitar lines(for the most part) on 2 tracks.
3. Split those 2 tracks hard left and hard right-like S2K commented on.
The bass is going straight into a Mackie board using the board's preamp and a Boss eq looped into the aux send/return.
Also, I agree with you on the testicle misplacement during the drum breaks; I have since re-recorded and it sounds much better.
Emeric: I also agree with your comment about the drums only instead of lowering their level, I brought everything else up.
I appreciate all of you taking the time to download and respond.
dmc
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ametth
Sir Cool of Coronado
dmc, that track kicked ass, I thought the guitar sound was AWESOME!! but here's my nitpick: I dont know if it was my system or what, but the high end (cymbals, hihat) was killin my ears, like they were mixed to high in the mix, or too much high eq. I also agree with S8-N about the drum breaks. otherwise it kicked much ass.
ametth
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crazyhorse
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A little more about that D.C. offset...
I think this is right...
Every recording source sends a different amount of signal in. Each track will probably have a 0 voltage line (slightly?) above or below the others. They may playback together fine, but pc mixing will inevitably lead to the noisy spikes mentioned by drstawl. The solution to this seems to be to run some kind of D.C. Offset filter on every track before future mixing, processing, filtering, etc. This way all tracks have a similar point of referance for the 0 voltage line.
I've noticed that even properly adjusted tracks can become offset after running an eq, applying reverb, and such. I'd think that higher end programs would automatically compensate for this but I have yet to find a mention of this in Cakewalk. Is anybody else using offest filters like this or am I just a nut?
Killer mix on your song! I liked the drum fill. I liked the way it rode the whole ambient effect you had going. Guitar tones were great. I really dug the drum line and appreciated it's sound. I got those same kits from Kavlava long ago. If you get a chance, could you post the name of the samples you used? I'd like to play mine against your tune to hear what you were able to do with them in the mix. Awesome tune.
[This message has been edited by crazyhorse (edited 12-29-1999).]
I think this is right...
Every recording source sends a different amount of signal in. Each track will probably have a 0 voltage line (slightly?) above or below the others. They may playback together fine, but pc mixing will inevitably lead to the noisy spikes mentioned by drstawl. The solution to this seems to be to run some kind of D.C. Offset filter on every track before future mixing, processing, filtering, etc. This way all tracks have a similar point of referance for the 0 voltage line.
I've noticed that even properly adjusted tracks can become offset after running an eq, applying reverb, and such. I'd think that higher end programs would automatically compensate for this but I have yet to find a mention of this in Cakewalk. Is anybody else using offest filters like this or am I just a nut?
Killer mix on your song! I liked the drum fill. I liked the way it rode the whole ambient effect you had going. Guitar tones were great. I really dug the drum line and appreciated it's sound. I got those same kits from Kavlava long ago. If you get a chance, could you post the name of the samples you used? I'd like to play mine against your tune to hear what you were able to do with them in the mix. Awesome tune.
[This message has been edited by crazyhorse (edited 12-29-1999).]
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dmcsilva
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crazyhorse:
Whoops.
I lied. Those drum samples weren't from Kalava. As a matter of fact, I don't know where the hell they came from. But I still have the zip files; I'm gonna post them to Juston tonight for your downloading pleasure.
S2K:
You might want to look into downloading these too. If I remember correctly, not to long ago you were looking for some decent samples...these are the best I've found for a gratis download.
I'll post Juston links to 5 seperate WinZip files tomorrow containing HiHats, Crashes, Snares, Kicks, and Toms. There are plenty of each in each file to choose from.
Be warned though; the sum of the files is 12.6 MB, but it's worth it.
dmc
Whoops.
I lied. Those drum samples weren't from Kalava. As a matter of fact, I don't know where the hell they came from. But I still have the zip files; I'm gonna post them to Juston tonight for your downloading pleasure.
S2K:
You might want to look into downloading these too. If I remember correctly, not to long ago you were looking for some decent samples...these are the best I've found for a gratis download.
I'll post Juston links to 5 seperate WinZip files tomorrow containing HiHats, Crashes, Snares, Kicks, and Toms. There are plenty of each in each file to choose from.
Be warned though; the sum of the files is 12.6 MB, but it's worth it.
dmc
drstawl
Banned
I did say I'd post the wave picture. Here is just one of the sections I was talking about.
It's only 13KB.
http://www.juston.com/public/drstawl/dmc_dc_offset.jpg
It's only 13KB.
http://www.juston.com/public/drstawl/dmc_dc_offset.jpg
David
New member
As Chris Tucker would say DAAAAMMMMM!! guitars are beaffffy and thats comming from the butcherman,, solid vibe DMC.......
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crazyhorse
New member
----D.C. Offset----
Doesn't appear as though people are just flooding in on this d.c. offset thing. Is it such a fundamental procedure that everyone else understands it already? If so, tell me what's up please! I know that many programs (Cooledit, Goldwave, etc) have this feature built-in so it's obviously relevent. I'm gonna move this topic over to the newbie forum in case I'm behind on this as I think I am. Please reply there if you can help me.
-----dmcsilva-----
Before I name my first born after you, I want to know... is that dmc as in Run? Can't wait for the drum samples!
I demo'd Fruity Loops and got irregular results on my crappy machine.I plan on building a DAW pretty much along the guidelines of that article at the prorecord site. I'm now using Moonfish to sequence my drum wavs and have a good beta called Massiva that will be an excellant wav & midi sequencer when completed.
Honestly, I haven't programed a real drum line on my pc yet. I have used a Boss Dr. Rhythm Dr-550 since around '91. I plan to write my drum lines on the 550 and hand transcribe them into the 3 channel wav, 16 step sequencer of Moonfish. It's too bad the 550 has a midi in but no midi out! Thanks once again !
p.s. You know, I used to enjoy trying to get by with less than average equipment. But that was when I had time to spare. Now, it's killing me realizing how the little time I have is being eaten up by slow, buggy hardware. I've got to streamline and move on.
Also, I haven't noticed any references to the new 5.1 format yet. Are we beating a dying horse? And what is that surround sound crap all about anyway? It seems like anyone could come up with a piece of hardware that could re-encode regular stereo tracks into seperate 'surround' signals for as many damn speakers as you wanted to create sends for.
At any rate, some people seem to think that an awful lot of hardware and software are going to continue their life cycle to the natural stage of "old school". Should I be dropping cash on this stuff? Hmmmmmmmm?
[This message has been edited by crazyhorse (edited 12-30-1999).]
Doesn't appear as though people are just flooding in on this d.c. offset thing. Is it such a fundamental procedure that everyone else understands it already? If so, tell me what's up please! I know that many programs (Cooledit, Goldwave, etc) have this feature built-in so it's obviously relevent. I'm gonna move this topic over to the newbie forum in case I'm behind on this as I think I am. Please reply there if you can help me.
-----dmcsilva-----
Before I name my first born after you, I want to know... is that dmc as in Run? Can't wait for the drum samples!
I demo'd Fruity Loops and got irregular results on my crappy machine.I plan on building a DAW pretty much along the guidelines of that article at the prorecord site. I'm now using Moonfish to sequence my drum wavs and have a good beta called Massiva that will be an excellant wav & midi sequencer when completed.
Honestly, I haven't programed a real drum line on my pc yet. I have used a Boss Dr. Rhythm Dr-550 since around '91. I plan to write my drum lines on the 550 and hand transcribe them into the 3 channel wav, 16 step sequencer of Moonfish. It's too bad the 550 has a midi in but no midi out! Thanks once again !
p.s. You know, I used to enjoy trying to get by with less than average equipment. But that was when I had time to spare. Now, it's killing me realizing how the little time I have is being eaten up by slow, buggy hardware. I've got to streamline and move on.
Also, I haven't noticed any references to the new 5.1 format yet. Are we beating a dying horse? And what is that surround sound crap all about anyway? It seems like anyone could come up with a piece of hardware that could re-encode regular stereo tracks into seperate 'surround' signals for as many damn speakers as you wanted to create sends for.
At any rate, some people seem to think that an awful lot of hardware and software are going to continue their life cycle to the natural stage of "old school". Should I be dropping cash on this stuff? Hmmmmmmmm?
[This message has been edited by crazyhorse (edited 12-30-1999).]
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dmcsilva
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S2K:
Of interest to one of your comments: I found out what was causing the kick to override the bass in certain parts. Seems that I had boosted eq on the kick drum in exactly the same frequency as a G note played on the bass. This was causing the bass line to mysteriously remove itself from the song when hitting G. A simple dB cut and a slide up and a few Hz on the eq solved that problem.
dmc
Of interest to one of your comments: I found out what was causing the kick to override the bass in certain parts. Seems that I had boosted eq on the kick drum in exactly the same frequency as a G note played on the bass. This was causing the bass line to mysteriously remove itself from the song when hitting G. A simple dB cut and a slide up and a few Hz on the eq solved that problem.
dmc
CMiller
New member
Wow, great sound! The guitars are great. In my headphones the bass competes a little with the kick, but it's not that bad. It might not be a problem on speakers. Like everyone else, I'd love to hear vocals on this. You should try it if only to gain experience, maybe confidence. Nice job, man.
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Come on dmc...everybody wants to hear you sing. If I did it, you can certainly do it! Don't be such a wuss.
Glad you found out what the problem was with the kick/bass. Sounds like you're really getting the hang of this while I'm still at the guessing stage....twisting knobs at random until things come out ok.
Slackmaster 2000
Glad you found out what the problem was with the kick/bass. Sounds like you're really getting the hang of this while I'm still at the guessing stage....twisting knobs at random until things come out ok.
Slackmaster 2000
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dmcsilva
New member
I'm probably gonna give it a shot in the next month or so, singing that is. I have to wait for a time when my wife is out of town.....really, out of town, not just at the mall. I also have to kick my dog out of the house 'cuz I can't have him sitting there, with his ears up, cocking his head from side to side, giving me that what the hell are YOU doing look.
I'll probably even steal a page from your recording notes, S2K, and cover myself in a blanket to block out the outside world. Of course lyrics would help too.
Seriously though, if you have ever heard a person that cannot sing. That individual and I could become the founding fathers of the "I can't sing for shit club". Not to be confused with the "Unfunny Diarrhea Club" referred to in "Shakes the Clown".
If the results are tolerable, or even unoffensive, you guys will hear them. If not I may be soliciting vocals from some of you.
dmc
I'll probably even steal a page from your recording notes, S2K, and cover myself in a blanket to block out the outside world. Of course lyrics would help too.
Seriously though, if you have ever heard a person that cannot sing. That individual and I could become the founding fathers of the "I can't sing for shit club". Not to be confused with the "Unfunny Diarrhea Club" referred to in "Shakes the Clown".
If the results are tolerable, or even unoffensive, you guys will hear them. If not I may be soliciting vocals from some of you.
dmc