Direct Outs & Subgroups?

[Enchilada]

The Direct outs in the Behringer 2442FX-Pro mixer are post EQ, post mute and post fader. Could I assume that they still use the IMPs & are post aux and fx sends.
Also can I to run the 2 stereo tracks with IMPs to subgroups 1-2 and 3-4 and hook up 2 unbalanced jack in a Y cable in to the balanced XLR input of the 1010LT?

The reason I ask is that this board has 10 IMPs which is like AU$50/pre (or around US$38/pre). That is awesome value in my eyes.

I use a UB series mixer and I like it so I don't want any comments about noise or quality of the preamps or which mixer I should get. Please just post comments on how I can use the direct outs and subgroups.

Thanks heaps guys!
Ench

 

[Farview]

What is an IMP?

 

[Adam P]

"Invisible Mic Preamp"...supposedly a testament to their sound quality, I'm sure.

 

[Farview]

"Invisible Mic Preamp"...supposedly a testament to their sound quality, I'm sure.

OK, the question still doesn't make any sense. What would the y cable be for?

 

[Adam P]

If I'm reading this correctly, I think the question is asking if you can send one of the stereo channels to a stereo subgroup, and send the stereo subgroup's outputs to a single balanced input on his interface, by using a Y-cable (I'm assuming two TS ends to one XLR end). I hope that my interpretation is correct. I would guess that it probably could work in a pinch, but that one half of the signal would be of opposite polarity from the original signal. Also, is the balanced XLR input on the 1010 switchable between Mic and Line levels, or is it strictly a mic preamp? If its strictly a mic preamp, I'd pass on trying it.

Why not just use six of your board's preamps, and the two onboard the 1010LT?

 

[SonicAlbert]

The reason I ask is that this board has 10 IMPs which is like AU$50/pre (or around US$38/pre). That is awesome value in my eyes.

It's only an awesome value if it sounds good. Also, "IMP" is a marketing term of Behringer's, not actual audio terminology.

Like Farview, I'm not sure what you are asking--especially the part about the Y cable. What you need to do is download the block diagram off the Behringer web site and sort out the signal routing from that.

If you are asking can you combine two parallel unbalanced outputs into one balanced XLR cable, that's an interesting question but I think the answer is no. You can however buy or build a cable that goes from TS on one end to XLR on the other. It would not balanced the signal, but it would interface properly with the gear.

 

[SonicAlbert]

If I'm reading this correctly, I think the question is asking if you can send one of the stereo channels to a stereo subgroup, and send the stereo subgroup's outputs to a single balanced input on his interface, by using a Y-cable (I'm assuming two TS ends to one XLR end).

But if that's the question, why wouldn't he just send both stereo channels to busses 1-2 and then route that to the soundcard? Why send them to different busses on the mixer and then try to combine them with Y cables on the way to the soundcard?

 

[dgatwood]

If you're just buying it for the ten pres, buy a Peavey PV14. It's cheaper and the preamp quality is almost certainly better unless Behringer's noise levels have improved by orders of magnitude recently.

 

[Adam P]

But if that's the question, why wouldn't he just send both stereo channels to busses 1-2 and then route that to the soundcard? Why send them to different busses on the mixer and then try to combine them with Y cables on the way to the soundcard?

You've got me!

 

[Enchilada]

If I'm reading this correctly, I think the question is asking if you can send one of the stereo channels to a stereo subgroup, and send the stereo subgroup's outputs to a single balanced input on his interface, by using a Y-cable (I'm assuming two TS ends to one XLR end). I hope that my interpretation is correct. I would guess that it probably could work in a pinch, but that one half of the signal would be of opposite polarity from the original signal. Also, is the balanced XLR input on the 1010 switchable between Mic and Line levels, or is it strictly a mic preamp? If its strictly a mic preamp, I'd pass on trying it.

Why not just use six of your board's preamps, and the two onboard the 1010LT?

That's exactly what I'm asking. Yes the preamps in the 1010LT can be disabled so as to have a line level input.

It's only an awesome value if it sounds good. Also, "IMP" is a marketing term of Behringer's, not actual audio terminology.

Like I said, I have a UB series mixer and I know the pres aren't awesome, but they're acceptable for now so that's not really the issue here. I'm mainly buying it for the routing possibilities for both tracking & mixing. I'll upgrade preamps later.
Yeah I know, but IMP is faster to type than preamp

But if that's the question, why wouldn't he just send both stereo channels to busses 1-2 and then route that to the soundcard? Why send them to different busses on the mixer and then try to combine them with Y cables on the way to the soundcard?

Because that way I can have more separate outputs from the mixer to the soundcard, remembering that there are no balanced outputs in the 2442fx mixer. Subgroup 1-2 has outputs 1-5 & 2-6
Example:
Rout track 9-10 to subgroup 1-2 panned hard left
Rout track 11-12 to subgroup 3-4 panned hard right.
Now, can I combine the subgroup 1 and 4 outs to give a balanced signal (2 TS into XLR)? If I could it would be handy for drum overheads and Accoustic guitat etc. & It would save both inuts and tracks in Audition.

 

[Enchilada]

bumpity bump

 

[Robert D]

If you can change the 1010LT mic inputs to balanced line in, you still can't use half of it for 1 channel, and half for another, or half for stereo left and half for stereo right. Balanced inputs immediately invert the - signal and then sum it with the + signal to cancel common mode noise and convert back to a single ended signal. I hope that answers your question, if I'm reading it right. Not the answer you were hoping for, sorry to say.

 

[gecko zzed]

'Direct out' is a term I normally associate with a channel on a mixer. The 2442 doesn't have any direct outs as such, though it has inserts on each channel that could be used as direct outs.

The 2442 has six outputs (Main L&R, subgroup 1&2, and subgroup 3&4). The main has both XLR and 1/4 outs, while the subgroups have 1/4 outs. Channels routed to any of these preserve the channel settings, i.e. they are post everything. You can internally route the subgroups directly to the main outs (there are routing buttons on these subgroups: just press them to L&R respectively), then use balanced from the mixer into the 1010.

This allows you, say, to mike a drum kit on channels 1 to 4, assign these to subgroup 1&2, then control the level of the kit as a whole using the subgroup faders.

You don't need, that I can see, a Y cable.

 

[Enchilada]

'Direct out' is a term I normally associate with a channel on a mixer. The 2442 doesn't have any direct outs as such, though it has inserts on each channel that could be used as direct outs.

The 2442 has six outputs (Main L&R, subgroup 1&2, and subgroup 3&4). The main has both XLR and 1/4 outs, while the subgroups have 1/4 outs. Channels routed to any of these preserve the channel settings, i.e. they are post everything. You can internally route the subgroups directly to the main outs (there are routing buttons on these subgroups: just press them to L&R respectively), then use balanced from the mixer into the 1010.

This allows you, say, to mike a drum kit on channels 1 to 4, assign these to subgroup 1&2, then control the level of the kit as a whole using the subgroup faders.

You don't need, that I can see, a Y cable.

Yo,
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/proddetail.cfm?lang=ENG&id=UB2442FX&type=210

Right there, direct outputs 1-8

 

[gecko zzed]

yes . . . sorry . . . there are two mixers. You are referring to UB 2442FX Pro, while I was referring to SL 2442FX Pro! I jumped the wrong way, though I should have twigged when you referred to UB later in your post

 

[MOFO Pro]

If you can change the 1010LT mic inputs to balanced line in, you still can't use half of it for 1 channel, and half for another, or half for stereo left and half for stereo right. Balanced inputs immediately invert the - signal and then sum it with the + signal to cancel common mode noise and convert back to a single ended signal. I hope that answers your question, if I'm reading it right. Not the answer you were hoping for, sorry to say.

What he said... a balanced line isn't stereo... and can't support two different signal sources on the hot & cold signal leads of a balanced pair... and no, it can't mix them either...