kristian
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I'm studio challenged, ie. I don't have one. Not only that, I can't play drums in my apartment or have band practice. My brother who I live with is buying a house in the next couple months, and may even be building one. He is probably going to let me have a room designed around music if he is building the house. And if he is just buying a newer house he will let me build a glorified garden shed out bcak to house my equipment and instruments.
obviously as a studnet I haven't saved up excessive amounts of money, but summertime programming has left me with more than enough to be able to build a decent sized room. What the challenge is my brother's space. He is really giing me around 200sq. ft. of space in what mostly will end up being the shed concept. Not really a shed, but not relly house construction. If needs be i will just build a single room and just live with having to record and then playback to monitor what it really sounds like. But i have a lot of friends i record and even myself would like to have a friend sit at the controls when i record. This comes into effect when recording drums where I don't want to be in the room with them, and voice/acoustic guitar/cello/overdubs etc. Those should be isolated.
My plan is here, quite extreme and it may not be plausible. We've talked about sizes with more sq. ft. but this is an idea i have so i can get some relative protection from the sounds.
some basics on this picture. It is drawn to scale as best as possible in Paint Shop Pro. I used the scale of 50 pixels to the foot. 18 by 10 foot room, with frech doors down the center. This will allow them to be opened during mixing to form a full sized control room. At that point, there will be ample space. What my question is, and I'm going to use some tape and try and sit in the actual dimensions tomorrow to see if my imagination has just thrown reason out the window, or if i actually had a decent idea.
The way i checked size is by making a drumkit out of 22inch x24inch kick, 14 inch snare, 12inch tom, 13inch tom, 18inch floor tom, 14inch hihat, 16inch crashes, 20 inch ride. It seems to not take up as much space as i thought.
The control room sonsists of a 3foot by 5 foot desk which would sit my 1604vlz a flatscreen, keyboard, mouse, and papers etc. to the sides are two 20inch x 20inch racks, with my 20/20bas sitting ontop. Two windows and the one on the longer wall would have an AC wall unit. The idea of not putting in windows into the "live" room is too keep sound from escaping outside.
I realise there are A LOT of 90 degree corners. I can't angle the walls as i will lose too muc space. I will have to find other solutions like the frequency absorbers John designed.
On with the questions:
1)If I use heavy foam on the french door frames and whre they ouch, can i achieve a decent amount of isolation where i will be able to monitor with speakers during drum tracking. If not, will a pair of THICK curtains hanging infront make a difference. If not, then pretty much the idea is finished.
2)I want 18x10 foot internal dimensions. This leaves me with a few options for wall contruction. Most likely i will not be able to use brick so the shed will mach the house. The locations around here are mostly wood siding. What is an STC rating that will achieve good isolation from outside. Whether or not this is a two room setup, the main concentration will be on external noise prevention. A.k.a neighbours. I think the flexible channel with insulation is what looks the best space saver. But i don't know if the rating of 47 is good enough for what im asking.
3)I realise this could get cramped at times. But something is better than nothing. I'm really being stifled creatively by the way i have to play music lately. Random jams or nothing at all. I used to record myself with a 4 track weekly before i started university. This seems like even a step up from that. But in my anxiety to have somewhere to play, is this idea just too hopeful? Should i just stick with one room, and learn to love the fun of playback monitoring? I would also not have the ability to brin my friends band's in. I record them in crazy makeshift setups at their houses they are renting, but it gets a pain to lug equipment around, and its not somewhere where i can listen on monitors anyway.
Thanks, for getting this far if you did. I hope i can get John in here and say its not going to be professional, but that its a workable idea! If not, im ready for constructive criticism, like how well baffles can help isolate within one room. Say if a guitarist and a drummer are playing. Again, thanks.
obviously as a studnet I haven't saved up excessive amounts of money, but summertime programming has left me with more than enough to be able to build a decent sized room. What the challenge is my brother's space. He is really giing me around 200sq. ft. of space in what mostly will end up being the shed concept. Not really a shed, but not relly house construction. If needs be i will just build a single room and just live with having to record and then playback to monitor what it really sounds like. But i have a lot of friends i record and even myself would like to have a friend sit at the controls when i record. This comes into effect when recording drums where I don't want to be in the room with them, and voice/acoustic guitar/cello/overdubs etc. Those should be isolated.
My plan is here, quite extreme and it may not be plausible. We've talked about sizes with more sq. ft. but this is an idea i have so i can get some relative protection from the sounds.
some basics on this picture. It is drawn to scale as best as possible in Paint Shop Pro. I used the scale of 50 pixels to the foot. 18 by 10 foot room, with frech doors down the center. This will allow them to be opened during mixing to form a full sized control room. At that point, there will be ample space. What my question is, and I'm going to use some tape and try and sit in the actual dimensions tomorrow to see if my imagination has just thrown reason out the window, or if i actually had a decent idea.
The way i checked size is by making a drumkit out of 22inch x24inch kick, 14 inch snare, 12inch tom, 13inch tom, 18inch floor tom, 14inch hihat, 16inch crashes, 20 inch ride. It seems to not take up as much space as i thought.
The control room sonsists of a 3foot by 5 foot desk which would sit my 1604vlz a flatscreen, keyboard, mouse, and papers etc. to the sides are two 20inch x 20inch racks, with my 20/20bas sitting ontop. Two windows and the one on the longer wall would have an AC wall unit. The idea of not putting in windows into the "live" room is too keep sound from escaping outside.
I realise there are A LOT of 90 degree corners. I can't angle the walls as i will lose too muc space. I will have to find other solutions like the frequency absorbers John designed.
On with the questions:
1)If I use heavy foam on the french door frames and whre they ouch, can i achieve a decent amount of isolation where i will be able to monitor with speakers during drum tracking. If not, will a pair of THICK curtains hanging infront make a difference. If not, then pretty much the idea is finished.
2)I want 18x10 foot internal dimensions. This leaves me with a few options for wall contruction. Most likely i will not be able to use brick so the shed will mach the house. The locations around here are mostly wood siding. What is an STC rating that will achieve good isolation from outside. Whether or not this is a two room setup, the main concentration will be on external noise prevention. A.k.a neighbours. I think the flexible channel with insulation is what looks the best space saver. But i don't know if the rating of 47 is good enough for what im asking.
3)I realise this could get cramped at times. But something is better than nothing. I'm really being stifled creatively by the way i have to play music lately. Random jams or nothing at all. I used to record myself with a 4 track weekly before i started university. This seems like even a step up from that. But in my anxiety to have somewhere to play, is this idea just too hopeful? Should i just stick with one room, and learn to love the fun of playback monitoring? I would also not have the ability to brin my friends band's in. I record them in crazy makeshift setups at their houses they are renting, but it gets a pain to lug equipment around, and its not somewhere where i can listen on monitors anyway.
Thanks, for getting this far if you did. I hope i can get John in here and say its not going to be professional, but that its a workable idea! If not, im ready for constructive criticism, like how well baffles can help isolate within one room. Say if a guitarist and a drummer are playing. Again, thanks.
I wouldn't ever get that much space. for width, 12 will be pushing it. But I will try to get as long as a space as possible so i will be able to split it into hopefully two rooms.