Digital Multitrack Recorders?

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Can anyone help me out?

I have done a load of research into the home digital multitrack recorders on the market at the moment, and know all about specifications, accessories, effects etc.

One thing I'm struggling with, however, is being able to get any feedback from people who have first hand experience of recording with such equipment.

Does anyone then have any suggestions or recommendations on the best home digital multi track recorder (up to 16 tracks), based on sound quality, production and final polished recordings?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated,

Cheers.
 
If it's a valid option for you I would go with computer recording. I don't have time to list things you would need right now but I'm sure someone else will.
 
I personally had an old tape 4-track, now I use a DAW, but a good friend of mine has a nice digital 8-track and he LOVES it. Onboard editing, independant of computer, excellent sound quality, decent storage etc. What are you looking at buying?
 
I was looking at the Boss 1180 with it being quite cheap at the moment, but I'm not 100% convinced.

I've heard fostex is the way to go, but I'm also curious about the Yamaha AW16 and the Korg D1600 mk 2.

I have also considered the computer option, but unsure of the spec needed to run SX smoothly with a loads of tracks and effects going at the same time. At present I've managed to overload my computer just with six midi tracks bounced down to audio (all vst plugins) with effects on each track, and with only 40 seconds of music?

I'm therefore not to confident about recording an album on my machine!
 
TokenSound said:
At present I've managed to overload my computer just with six midi tracks bounced down to audio (all vst plugins) with effects on each track, and with only 40 seconds of music?

That doesn't sound right. I've done more tracks for longer with a 750MHz Duron/256 MB machine.

Tell us about your computer?
 
i have a fostex VF80 ex and im in love with it.

i got it for 500 with carrying case and built in cd burner.

then a studio projects b1 mic, i was ready to record the second i got it. and i did
 
"Best"?

I hate trying to answer that question for someone. "Best" is a nebulous term. For one person, "best" could mean the cheapest recorder that offers 16 tracks. For someone else, "best" could mean that it has to have an integrated drum machine. Or it could be the unit that has the most features, regardless of price. Or the one that allows the most simultaneous tracks to be recorded. Etc, Etc.

I bought a Yamaha AW2816. It's an excellent 16 track recorder, but I never liked the interface particularly. I think it's harder to use than it could be. Still it sounds very good and works well.

I've upgraded to an Akai DPS24, which is, to me, the "best" studio in a box on the market. Everything on it is top notch and very professional. It might be more than you need however.

The DAW approach is certainly valid and for a lot of people this represents the "best". I use one, but I sure like hardware too!

You're going to have to do a lot of research and decide what your budget is, how you wish to use the recordings (IOW, how good do they need to be) and what units have the features you feel are important.

Good luck!

Ted
 
I am trying to sell my roland digital 8-track, it's one of the older ones that uses zip250 disks to record onto, I'm just throwing this out there, I'm thinking about selling it cheap for about $200ish. So if you want something cheap to get you going I'm going to be listing it on ebay soon. Sorry if this post is annoying. I'm at my friends house right now so I don't have the specifics of it. But I can get those tomorrow when I'm home. I am selling it to get into computer recording. I will be buying a firepod soon to go with my new G5.

-Kev
 
I'm a Fostex VF160 zealot. It's easy to use, makes great recordings, is completely self contained, highly portable and only $800 new. I would suggest getting the gig bag and footswitch(both for $75).
 
TokenSound said:
Can anyone help me out?
I have done a load of research into the home digital multitrack recorders on the market at the moment, and know all about specifications, accessories, effects etc.
One thing I'm struggling with, however, is being able to get any feedback from people who have first hand experience of recording with such equipment.
Does anyone then have any suggestions or recommendations on the best home digital multi track recorder (up to 16 tracks), based on sound quality, production and final polished recordings?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated,

Cheers.

Stay away from stand-alone recorders. They have an obsoletion rate of 8-12 months. They will never, ever be able to do for you and your recordings what a good computer/interface can. Run, Forrest, run. Don't look back. Fostex, Roland, Korg...these are evil words. If you seek to produce and track, think Apple, Intel, Digidesign, MOTU, M-Audio....
 
vigormusic said:
I am trying to sell my roland digital 8-track, it's one of the older ones that uses zip250 disks to record onto, I'm just throwing this out there, I'm thinking about selling it cheap for about $200ish. So if you want something cheap to get you going I'm going to be listing it on ebay soon. Sorry if this post is annoying. I'm at my friends house right now so I don't have the specifics of it. But I can get those tomorrow when I'm home. I am selling it to get into computer recording. I will be buying a firepod soon to go with my new G5.

-Kev

See? Even Vigor is dumping his stand-alone for a sweet-ass G5 and a firepod. I wonder why? could it be...standalones SUCK!?!?!

Yup. Dats right. Now gimmie my wallet, thank you, it's the one that says "Bad Motherfu--er" on it.
 
lol
I've had that thing for a while
I have to admit it was good for when I was an amatuer and it was good for what I was doing back then.

and oh how sweet my G5 is.

I think that standalone's are good for beginners and that's close to it. I still do use my roland as a mic preamp sometimes, for some reason it just sounds great for vocals, but recording on zip 250's is getting old. It's time to out my G5 to work
 
Smack said:
See? Even Vigor is dumping his stand-alone for a sweet-ass G5 and a firepod. I wonder why? could it be...standalones SUCK!?!?!

Yup. Dats right. Now gimmie my wallet, thank you, it's the one that says "Bad Motherfu--er" on it.

Respectfully, you simply don't know what you're talking about. They don't "suck" (well, some might, but you can't make a blanket indictment) they fill a valid need and for many people they are exactly the right tool.

Computers have a similar obsoletion rate. If you're on the PC platform, we're talking approximately 6 months. I'm using "obsolete" in the same manner you did. I think it's debatable whether any of these tools are "obsolete" simply because something newer is available. They're are still plenty of people recording to tape out there and getting amazing results. We're still listening to the Beatles and all they had was a 4 track. It's about the music, not the medium.

DAWs and SIAB are tools. What you're saying is like telling someone that cars suck and are obsolete- everyone should have an SUV. While the SUV might be good for lots of people, cars aren't going away anytime soon and they're a valid way to accomplish your goal of getting from place to place. Maybe for you, the DAW is the best solution, that doesn't mean it is so for everyone. Sometimes a drill is the right tool, sometimes a screwdriver is just what's needed. What's important is to honestly assess your needs and then make your choices based on your comfort level with configuring and maintaining a computer, your willingness to learn a bunch of different pieces of hardware and software, the understanding that a DAW is NEVER really "finished", your need/desire for a physical interface to interact with, your budget and your goals. For different people there might be additional considerations.

Furthermore, the DPS24 is not only not obsolete, it's specs hold up just fine against almost any DAW. It's got pristine sonics and plenty of features that would cost thousands more if bought separately. On top of that, there are quite a few people who have based successful, professional, commercial studios around their DPS24.

I am very satisfied with the DPS24. I also love my DAW (P4- 2.8Mhz, 1 GB RAM, SONAR 4PE). Frankly, though, if I had to choose between them, I'd probably choose the DPS24 and use the computer to host softsynths and plug-ins. If the choice was between the AW2816 and the DAW, I think the answer would probably be different. Someone else might feel differently and that's fine too.

Ted
 
i love my fostex vf80ex. my friend uses a computer to record and mines much better sounding than his. after i do record on it, i can burn it to a wav and edit it on any program i want. i think its better for what i want to do, its up to you really though. i like actually feeling the faders n such, but if your down for staying in front of the computer for hours go for it. I take my recorder to who evers house im recording and record. the portability is awesome and it has less burn error rate than a computer.

boo ya
 
I just had to comment. I absolutely agree with Tedluk just because there is a newer product out there, it doesn't make what you have obsolete, in fact I am still amazed and what 60's & 70's groups managed to produce with 4 track machines. I happen to use both methods (DAW & PC) but still primarily record to my Yamaha AW4416 which I think is a wonderful unit. It has a big learning curve, but once you get over the learning hump it is really a very powerful machine and there are lots of WEB user groups out there where people like myself help out quite bit on that learning curve. The AW4416, the big brother of the 2816 and 16G also offers a Waves Y56 and Y96 card upgrade for mastering that is actually quite good. That said, I bounce things between my PC and the AW4416 quite a bit, editing is easier on the PC but I perfer the sound quality and flexibility of the AW4416 mixer. Yes it is standalone, but there are many way to expand the units inputs and outputs. If fact Waves just announced a few months back an upgrade to the Y56 card with newer Plug-in's like Waves Renvox, L2 ultramaximiser and Renbass, so it is far from obsolete. Portablility of your recording console is also a factor. It really depends on your PC savy and your desire to put together all the components necessary to make a PC solution work. But being in the technology business, PC's change quite a bit as well ...AT bus, Micro-channel, PCI, PCMCIA, PC CARD Bus, USB and on on ....so the technlogy changes just as fast if not faster, not to mention Windows 95,98, 2000, Win NT, WIn XP and the resource contraints those Operating systems have done to your processing power. I hate to tell you all the PC's I have been through. Bottom line there are lots of great options, no one is absolutely the best, but standalone's do offer the ability to get up and running quickly, and if you get a good one, not at the expense of sound quality. Personally the best answer is use both if you can afford it and that way you gain the benefits each has to offer.
 
I hate the PC. I don't want to use a mouse and a monitor and a keyboard. It's big and in the way. I have very small space here so the DAW all-in-one works for me.

I've upgraded from 4 to 8 to 16 track machines, but if I had a computer setup for the same amount of time they would be useless by now. I didn't upgrade b/c they were obsolete, but because I grew out of them, they still work fine. I only spent 600 on the 4, the 8 was about 300, and 16 was $1000.

I like the fact that the computer and hard drive and i/o and OS that my 16 track is based on, is used exclusively for my music.
 
I don't mean to sound stupid
but what does DAW stand for? digital audio workspace?
I've been trying to figrue that out for a while
thanks
 
vigormusic said:
I don't mean to sound stupid
but what does DAW stand for? digital audio workspace?
I've been trying to figrue that out for a while
thanks

Almost .... Digital Audio Workstation.

Edit- In case you are also wondering SIAB= Studio In A Box.
:cool:
 
Newbie with a Yamaha DM 2000

I tried searching the threads before asking this question but couldn't find anything on this subject. I'm a bit stuck on what interface(s) to get so that I can record up to 32 channels live.

I have a Yamaha DM2000 and I plan on filling up two of the expansion slots with the Yamaha MY16AT 16-Channel ADAT Cards. I would like to connect those to a computer so that I can record from 16 to 32 channels at once.

I guess what I need to know is what interface(s) or PCI card(s) are out there that can handle 32 channels of simultaneous recording? I have been looking at the Lynx Two with Lynx LS-ADAT
http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwo.html
http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxlsadat.html

But as far as I can tell they only have two inputs. Am I wrong to assume that the Lynx Two can only record two channels at once?

Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,

Jimmy
 
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