digi Or Not To Digi.

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hi guys!
well I try to find difrents viewpoint about it. to recorder bassguitar an voice at home trying to get good quality. so

some card (pci, fireware, usb ,wherever) + a nice pre ( tell me wich one, please).

or

digi002R (stand alone).

cause NO MORE THAN 1.000 BUCKS BUDGET!

my point is DIGI OR NOT TO DIGI.

-thank U for check it-

seba-
 
There I was last night, trying to mix in PT Le at a doods studio.

No automatic plugin latency compensation. No polarity reverse on the mixer channel. 32 track limit. Limited plugins available. No dB labeling on the meters.

I couldn't stop thinking how very LAME it all was.

Myself? I will NEVER purchase digidesign! No amount of enticing will get me to do it. I can put together a DAW that will suit my needs for a LOT less than a HD system costs! And in reality, the LE version is so freakin' crippled, it isn't even worth messing with.

But, I am sure the PT users here will chime in with their take.

Just my opinion.
 
Ford Van said:
There I was last night, trying to mix in PT Le at a doods studio.

No automatic plugin latency compensation. No polarity reverse on the mixer channel. 32 track limit. Limited plugins available. No dB labeling on the meters.

I couldn't stop thinking how very LAME it all was.

Myself? I will NEVER purchase digidesign! No amount of enticing will get me to do it. I can put together a DAW that will suit my needs for a LOT less than a HD system costs! And in reality, the LE version is so freakin' crippled, it isn't even worth messing with.

But, I am sure the PT users here will chime in with their take.

Just my opinion.

Well I agree, I got rid of my 002r and LE because of all of the things you said, now I run Cubase SX3 and im happy!
 
Well...I am a Digi user. I have enjoyed it. After you get used to their interface, its a really simple program. Things work kinda logically. You do have db readings on the faders...plug in wise I haven't felt limited.......although they for the most part are not floating around on file share networks the way VST's are..and have had no more problems with latency than with other software......the 32 tracks really hasn't effected me yet.

On the flip side, I have used Nuendo as well. I liked it too. Both have good points and bad points. Nuendo has a really good mixer section. A nice sample editor too. Nuendo doesn's seem as processor hungry to me running idle.

For no more than you are wanting to record, bass and vocals, I'd get a Presonus Firebox and the Cubase LE that comes with it though.

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cool, somebody who don´t tell me:
run to the strore and don´t back without a digi!
I have a ap2496 and I HOPE be a nice choice because i´m wondering to get a nice pre and start to work in a proyect on.
 
I checking the presonus site and I know that U mean.
and focusrite, or thats kind of interfaces, could be too?
thanks guys!!!!!
 
ok , I was cheking the net and...

focusrite saffire or presonus firebox?
 
I wouldn't get the 002 if you were just recording bass and voice. Seems like overkill to me. There are smaller PT units if you wish to go that route. You can always get something small and if you end up not liking Pro Tools, you can just use your hardware with another program if you want.

One correction though, Pro Tools does have delay compensation for it's plugins...it just doesn't have hardware compensation (ie. with the UAD card)
Also, a dedicated polarity button in a DAW is just stupid, IMO. Like we've already talked about in the other thread...if you are having phasing problems, it's probably due to you having two microphones and one is out of time from the other. So just nudge the track so that it's correct. Or, if you must...invert it via Audio Suite. But it's like using EQ to fix a poor sounding microphone...why not just fix the problem at the source.
 
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Ford Van said:
There I was last night, trying to mix in PT Le at a doods studio.

No automatic plugin latency compensation.
True, but though LE doesn't have ADC (yet another relatively basic feature Digidesign is dragging their feet on in hopes that people will break down and buy a TDM rig), it's not as big a problem as one might think. As long as the total delay caused by plug-ins doesn't exceed the buffer size you're running at, everything turns out alright. Found this explanation in some old PT notes on Sound on Sound:
SOS said:
There has recently been a resurgence of requests on the Digidesign User Conference for Pro Tools to automatically adjust for plug-in/convertor delays. Often people point to Pro Tools LE and its "automatic plug-in delay compensation". It's mostly true that in LE you don't get plug-in delays (and extremely nice it is too), but it's not really that LE has an active compensation scheme. What's really happening is that, being host-based, LE uses a processing buffer, so there's effectively a delay on everything all the time. Therefore, if all the plug-ins can get their maths together in the allotted time everything will all come out at the other end with no relative delays. However, with really meaty plug-ins like Maxim that handle large chunks of data at once, delays are still incurred.

So why can't Pro Tools just look at the TDM delay in each track (it already knows that, after all) and adjust the playback time in the timeline to compensate? This is exactly how the new MTS (MIDI Time Stamping) system will work on MIDI tracks in PT6. Eventually PT will probably be able to do something similar with audio, but it's actually a bit trickier than it sounds. Firstly, an audio track might have sends going to more than one place, incurring different delays along the way. Also, some sound elements (or even all) may not be audio tracks, but external sources coming in via auxes: You can't shift them earlier without introducing a global mixer buffer (and destroying the whole point of having a TDM system) or travelling backwards in time...
 
well guys

HAVE NO IDEA LOT OF CONCETPS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
but well I guess oo2 is a not rigth choice for my needs. so now I´ll try to get some interface with or without a pre ( and for this one i´ll get a nice pre so if some day i´ll change for digi or something better keep my pre).
thanks a lot.
 
If you're interested in any of this...I'd go ahead and get a version. The convolution reverb alone is worth $495. Plus, you'll get 48 mono or 48 stereo tracks.
 
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