"Desperado" cover.....

[dobro]

Ah, that link worked finally. Idea: on the opening quiet vocal segment (and subsequent quiet segment), you could pull back the verb/delay a bit - I can hear the tail on words like 'shots' for instance, but it's the intimacy of that vocal part that makes it what it is - the delay/verb would be more effective if you couldn't hear the tail, I think. But in the segments when you're singing your ass off, it sounds fine. The instruments are great. I noticed no wandering on the snare. I think I'd end up leaving the drums the way they are cuz they sound great, but one thing I'd experiment with before I put this one on the shelf would be to put just a t-a-s-t-e more delay/verb on the drum buss to push the kit back a couple yards on the sound stage. Just to see.

 

[RAMI]

Ah, that link worked finally. Idea: on the opening quiet vocal segment (and subsequent quiet segment), you could pull back the verb/delay a bit - I can hear the tail on words like 'shots' for instance, but it's the intimacy of that vocal part that makes it what it is -

I think you're absolutely right. One thing I've always loved about this tune was the "We're in the same room having a conversation" feel of the soft verses. I guess I just felt a little insecure about leaving my voice out there naked. But I'll try that.

I noticed no wandering on the snare.

Thanxk god. I think it's ok now.

one thing I'd experiment with before I put this one on the shelf would be to put just a t-a-s-t-e more delay/verb on the drum buss to push the kit back a couple yards on the sound stage. Just to see.

I will do that. I actually didn't put any reverb on the drums. I did 2 things that really surprised me. One was, I pulled my overheads into a spaced pair set up, after using Recorderman/Glyn for years. I couldn't believe how much it opened up the drums and gave me more natural room. Plus they're a foot higher than they were. The second thing I did, was use a room mic for the first time ever. I then compressed the hell out the room mic, turned it's fader all the way down, and put a pre-fader reverb on it. In other words, took a mono room mic, turned it down, and put a stereo reverb on it. I then blended that into the rest of the kit and loved what it did. I thought it gave me enough reverb, so I didn't put any other verb on the kit,but I'll give it some more.

So, basically, slightly drier vocals in the verses, and slightly wetter drums overall, if I got ya.

Thanx a million, man. Good suggestions.

 

[Greg_L]

Wow huge difference. No wandering here. Well done.

Just from my perspective, I actually think you lost some spread. It's not bad at all, quite good actually, but one thing I liked about your previous setup was the natural width you got in your overheads. This seems a little narrower to me. But it also could be that mono room mic bringing things up the middle. The hats seem especially centered. If you get a chance, just to humor me, put up a sample with the room mic taken out.

 

[RAMI]

Wow huge difference. No wandering here. Well done.

Just from my perspective, I actually think you lost some spread. It's not bad at all, quite good actually, but one thing I liked about your previous setup was the natural width you got in your overheads. This seems a little narrower to me. But it also could be that mono room mic bringing things up the middle. The hats seem especially centered. If you get a chance, just to humor me, put up a sample with the room mic taken out.

Hehe...Ok I was just mixing it again when I read this, so I'll render one with no room mic. You might be right. I thought that running it through a stereo reverb would sort of un-mono it to a certain extent. Gimme a sec.

 

[RAMI]

Ok, here's a version with no room mic reverb. For now, I didn't compensate by putting reverb on the drums, so they're totally dry as far as effects are concerned. If we still find that it's a bit narrower than usual, it can also be because I pulled the overheads up higher. They're further from the drums, which would blur the stereo image a little, too.

 

[Greg_L]

Ok, here's a version with no room mic reverb. For now, I didn't compensate by putting reverb on the drums, so they're totally dry as far as effects are concerned. If we still find that it's a bit narrower than usual, it can also be because I pulled the overheads up higher. They're further from the drums, which would blur the stereo image a little, too.

Yup, that made a difference. The hats seem a little more to the right now. The spread is a little better to me. The higher overheads will also narrow things like you said, but what I was hearing had to be that room mic. I personally like it better like this - no room mic. You can always add reverb in the mix. But it's your call. Good either way.

 

[RAMI]

Yup, that made a difference. The hats seem a little more to the right now. The spread is a little better to me. The higher overheads will also narrow things like you said, but what I was hearing had to be that room mic. I personally like it better like this - no room mic. You can always add reverb in the mix. But it's your call. Good either way.

Awesome. I think I'll need to add at least some reverb. I did get more natural reverb from my room with the new set up, but I find it too dry to not add any reverb at all. OK, but that's good to know. Man, I'd love to find a way to get that room track in there. It sounds so cool when I solo it, all crushed and distant. Maybe I'll keep it for this tune with the excuse that I'm covering a 70's tune which has drums that are even more mono than mine.

Thanx man. I'm pretty happy with the results of all my changes. I feel like it sounds different and more natural.

 

[Greg_L]

Awesome. I think I'll need to add at least some reverb. I did get more natural reverb from my room with the new set up, but I find it too dry to not add any reverb at all. OK, but that's good to know. Man, I'd love to find a way to get that room track in there. It sounds so cool when I solo it, all crushed and distant. Maybe I'll keep it for this tune with the excuse that I'm covering a 70's tune which has drums that are even more mono than mine.

Thanx man. I'm pretty happy with the results of all my changes. I feel like it sounds different and more natural.

I think you definitely took a step in the right direction. I really like how this experiment worked with your snare. You could experiment with the overhead height to get more L/R spread. That could help cancel out the inherent mono-ness of the room mic. Or.....record the room in stereo.

I didn't get much toms in the new clips, but I'm not sure you went to them too often. Next time you're messing around, record something with a lot of toms in it to see how they stand out with the spaced pair setup.

 

[RAMI]

I think you definitely took a step in the right direction. I really like how this experiment worked with your snare. You could experiment with the overhead height to get more L/R spread. That could help cancel out the inherent mono-ness of the room mic. Or.....record the room in stereo.

I didn't get much toms in the new clips, but I'm not sure you went to them too often. Next time you're messing around, record something with a lot of toms in it to see how they stand out with the spaced pair setup.

OK, you mean you found the toms too low? I do a few rolls near the end of the tune. I'll listen and see. I pointed each overhead at a tome, but made sure they were both same distance from the snare.

 

[Greg_L]

OK, you mean you found the toms too low? I do a few rolls near the end of the tune. I'll listen and see. I pointed each overhead at a tome, but made sure they were both same distance from the snare.

Ok yeah, listening again, they're there. Not as present as you usually get them, but they're in there.

 

[RAMI]

Ok yeah, listening again, they're there. Not as present as you usually get them, but they're in there.

Cool. Actually, that's without copying my toms onto their own track, which I always did before. So, there's that option if I want to bring them out more. I was pleasantly surprised at how much more toms I got this way. I would have definitely had to copy my toms to a new track to get them this volume before.

 

[Greg_L]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that. You'd duplicate the overheads and cut out everything but the toms on one set, right?

So if that's what you did before, then the toms are pretty good in this.

 

[RAMI]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that. You'd duplicate the overheads and cut out everything but the toms on one set, right?

So if that's what you did before, then the toms are pretty good in this.

Thanx man. And thanx for all the help on this. I'm actually glad I had problems with my drum track, like it was meant to happen. I wouldn't have had a cool re-cunstruction project for the weekend. I even had an audience/help, and now there's one (and only one) woman in this world who actually thinks I'm handy around the house.

 

[Schwarzenyaeger]

I love the distorted guitar sounds. Really caught that good spot between growling and not distorted enough. Love it!

 

[VomitHatSteve]

This is actually one of my favorite AC songs. (I'd much rather hear it than an Eagles song!). Links 1 and 3 worked for me.

Pretty nice work with this one. I wouldn't mind more of the distorted guitars to make the song feel "heavier". The tone's good on them, but it just feels like AC covers should kick up the sound a notch from what he did, you know what I mean?

The other big thing that I noticed was that the vocal delivery was kind of weird. The opening verse, trying to affect the original tone comes of as a bit forced, and throughout the rest you've got a bit of a "mawwiage if what bwings uf togethah today" tone to the voice. I don't know if that's delivery or processing, but it was a bit distracting.

Really cool song though, and good mix of it.

 

[RAMI]

The other big thing that I noticed was that the vocal delivery was kind of weird. The opening verse, trying to affect the original tone comes of as a bit forced,

I don't think he sings it particularly well, either. He has the advantage of singing it bad first, though. We both have trouble singing that low.

and throughout the rest you've got a bit of a "mawwiage if what bwings uf togethah today" tone to the voice. I don't know if that's delivery or processing, but it was a bit distracting.

Hmmm...I'll have to go back and listen. I certainly don't sing like that and didn't process it like that. I'm usually told that I do Alice Cooper pretty awesomely. I'll check it out.

Thanx for the listen and comments.

 

[NotThatBright]

We both have trouble singing that low.
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I share in your shame, I also sound like a girl. But where are OUR support groups? I'll tell you where, they gave 'em all to the freakin' drunks and gamblers. And cutters! CUTTERS, for Christ's sake.

 

[Supercreep]

Wow.

I am unfamiliar with this song, but the vocal sure sounds like AC to me. I think the low register vocals sound a little awkward.

Guitars are nice and balanced. I don't have any issues with the drums at all. They are articulate and (IMO) not too loud.

I am listening at work on crappy speakers though. I can't really hear the bass guitar very distinctly, so I will have to check it out a little later.

Rami delivers.