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dmstilo
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I'm intersted in buying the "Delta 1010 PCI Digital Audio System". I'm trying to built up my DAW system, is this a good choice? How pro is it from a scale of 1 - 10?
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chessrock
Banned
How "pro?" It depends on what you think "pro" means. If you mean good enough to take on paying clients without breaking the bank, then I'd say it ranks a 10. If you consider "pro" to be more like the kind of stuff you hear on the radio and hit records . . .
. . . then I'd say it's more like a 7.
That doesn't mean that a hit record couldn't be produced using one. Just that most aren't.
When recording digitally, you have to consider the quality of analog-to-digital conversion. The 1010's a/d conversion is about as good as $500 sound cards get. But keep in mind that most of the hit factories out there are working with stand-alone a/d converters that costs thousands of dollars.
Hook up a $5,000 Apoge a/d converter and a $300 Lucid Word Clock, and then I think you'll be looking at a 10. And these are things you can hook up to a 1010, so it's upgradeability is a very nice feature.
Don't get me wrong here. I'll be the last person to say that you have to have an expensive converter to get "pro-like" results. Actually, I'd even go so far as to say that most of the guys on this board who consider themselves pros would have to listen very closely before they could spot any difference (between a recording done with a Delta card and one with a $5,000 apoge).
That said, keep in mind that a difference exists, and that is one of the things that tends to separate the "pro" sound from the "project studio" sound. Ah, but there is always at least one exception to this rule, though, right? And this one might be it. It could be more like an 8 or 9 on your scale, as it's sound quality is often compared to that of very expensive outboard a/d converters. But it's still no cheapie in terms of PCI cards :
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/mar02/articles/lynxtwo.asp
This one has me drooling. The Lynx II (or maybe III by the time I get the balls to spend the money) will be mine within the next two years, I have already decided.
. . . then I'd say it's more like a 7.
That doesn't mean that a hit record couldn't be produced using one. Just that most aren't.
When recording digitally, you have to consider the quality of analog-to-digital conversion. The 1010's a/d conversion is about as good as $500 sound cards get. But keep in mind that most of the hit factories out there are working with stand-alone a/d converters that costs thousands of dollars.
Hook up a $5,000 Apoge a/d converter and a $300 Lucid Word Clock, and then I think you'll be looking at a 10. And these are things you can hook up to a 1010, so it's upgradeability is a very nice feature.
Don't get me wrong here. I'll be the last person to say that you have to have an expensive converter to get "pro-like" results. Actually, I'd even go so far as to say that most of the guys on this board who consider themselves pros would have to listen very closely before they could spot any difference (between a recording done with a Delta card and one with a $5,000 apoge).
That said, keep in mind that a difference exists, and that is one of the things that tends to separate the "pro" sound from the "project studio" sound. Ah, but there is always at least one exception to this rule, though, right? And this one might be it. It could be more like an 8 or 9 on your scale, as it's sound quality is often compared to that of very expensive outboard a/d converters. But it's still no cheapie in terms of PCI cards :
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/mar02/articles/lynxtwo.asp
This one has me drooling. The Lynx II (or maybe III by the time I get the balls to spend the money) will be mine within the next two years, I have already decided.
BrettB
Well-known member
I have an extra question regarding this topic:
Is the only difference between the Delta 1010 and the Delta 1010LT the breakout box.
I'm also considering buying one, and if that's the only difference I'd buy the LT version. With a good mixer I won't miss that breakout box.
Is the only difference between the Delta 1010 and the Delta 1010LT the breakout box.
I'm also considering buying one, and if that's the only difference I'd buy the LT version. With a good mixer I won't miss that breakout box.
Lame Thrower
New member
The 1010LT also has built in mic pres I think. But if you have a nice mixer that won't matter.
The breakout box is supposed to eliminate some noise by getting the A/D and D/A converters out of your computer. I don't know if the difference is perceptable or not.
I would imagine that with the 1010LT, you would want to get a patch bay to hook it up to, so that your not reconnecting cables every five seconds.
I have a standard 1010 and I like it a lot. I can't really compare it to anything else though.
The breakout box is supposed to eliminate some noise by getting the A/D and D/A converters out of your computer. I don't know if the difference is perceptable or not.
I would imagine that with the 1010LT, you would want to get a patch bay to hook it up to, so that your not reconnecting cables every five seconds.
I have a standard 1010 and I like it a lot. I can't really compare it to anything else though.
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saxman72
New member
Chessrock, the Lynx Two looks like a winner. I'd be happy to upgrade to that quality of a card. The 3 different versions are all good ideas but damn-it, I need more than 4 ins an 4 outs! I'd have to buy 2 of them 
Rochey
New member
difference between 1010 and 1010LT
Yup, the LT has built in mic pre's...
but it has one let down compared to it's big brother. The converters are on the PCI card. -- inside your PC....
PC are notorious for having a lot of electrical noise flynig around inside the machine. This noise gets in the pathof converters. It's especially noticable with cheaper badly designed soundcards.
So, given the choice, i would save a little more and get the 1010. Then invest in a nice mic pre. or a Mackie Mixer.
Just an opinion...
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Yup, the LT has built in mic pre's...
but it has one let down compared to it's big brother. The converters are on the PCI card. -- inside your PC....
PC are notorious for having a lot of electrical noise flynig around inside the machine. This noise gets in the pathof converters. It's especially noticable with cheaper badly designed soundcards.
So, given the choice, i would save a little more and get the 1010. Then invest in a nice mic pre. or a Mackie Mixer.
Just an opinion...
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CyanJaguar
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on a scale of 1-10(ten being totally pro), I'd give it an 8. To get better, you would have to get external converters AND a clock.
Henrik
Member
Cyan,
was it you who had tested the 1010 clocked with a Lucid Genx6 and reported the difference with/without the external clock was huge?
I have a 1010 and I'm considering getting a 66 for a total of 16 in/out. I'm also considering getting a word clock generator to sync everything up. I'll of course try that before I buy, but all opinions are much appreciated.
Cheers
/Henrik
was it you who had tested the 1010 clocked with a Lucid Genx6 and reported the difference with/without the external clock was huge?
I have a 1010 and I'm considering getting a 66 for a total of 16 in/out. I'm also considering getting a word clock generator to sync everything up. I'll of course try that before I buy, but all opinions are much appreciated.
Cheers
/Henrik
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CyanJaguar
New member
no,
I did not report that the difference was huge. On a scale of 1-10, people gave the delta an 8 and the lucid a 9.
Save your money on the clock. There are ten million better things you could buy for the $500.
Also, why dont you just get another 1010 for a total of 20 inputs and it also goes in the rack instead of on the table.
I did not report that the difference was huge. On a scale of 1-10, people gave the delta an 8 and the lucid a 9.
Save your money on the clock. There are ten million better things you could buy for the $500.
Also, why dont you just get another 1010 for a total of 20 inputs and it also goes in the rack instead of on the table.
Rochey
New member
I agree with C.Jaguar...
It makes more sense in my opinoin to get another 1010. -- although don't forget the monster mixer to feed it
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It makes more sense in my opinoin to get another 1010. -- although don't forget the monster mixer to feed it
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Henrik
Member
Thanks guys,
yeah maybe I should go with another 1010 (a monster mixer is already in the budget, haha). Rack mountable is always nice.
Cyan, when you say the Lucid was 9/10, do you mean a Lucid converter, or do you mean the 1010 clocked by a Lucid Genx6?
Speaking of Lucid, whatever happened to sjoko? Haven't seen him around for a long time.
Cheers
/Henrik
yeah maybe I should go with another 1010 (a monster mixer is already in the budget, haha). Rack mountable is always nice.
Cyan, when you say the Lucid was 9/10, do you mean a Lucid converter, or do you mean the 1010 clocked by a Lucid Genx6?
Speaking of Lucid, whatever happened to sjoko? Haven't seen him around for a long time.
Cheers
/Henrik
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CyanJaguar
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the lucid converter was a 9/10
the lucid converter with a lucid clock I would give a 9.7/10 simply because the clock on the lucid ad9624 is quite blah.
the lucid clocked with the delta 1010 would be a 9.5
and the delta 1010 clocked with the lucid clock is like an 8.2 not much improvement with an external clock. The internal clock is quite nice and punchy. Even more punchy that the lucid genx6. You can really hear it on kick drum. It sounds very rock/pop while the lucid sounds more soft/classical.
the lucid converter with a lucid clock I would give a 9.7/10 simply because the clock on the lucid ad9624 is quite blah.
the lucid clocked with the delta 1010 would be a 9.5
and the delta 1010 clocked with the lucid clock is like an 8.2 not much improvement with an external clock. The internal clock is quite nice and punchy. Even more punchy that the lucid genx6. You can really hear it on kick drum. It sounds very rock/pop while the lucid sounds more soft/classical.
Henrik
Member
Cyan,
I much appreciate your input - thanks!
/Henrik
I much appreciate your input - thanks!
/Henrik