Delta 1010 spdif uses

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I'm curious how to get the most out of the spdif ins/outs in my two 1010s. I've seen some pres like the DBX386 that have spdif outs...but will using the spdif outs allow me to track the two signals to separate mono tracks or simply to one stereo track (in cubas sx3)?

Are there other practical uses? What about using it as an fx send and return to an fx unit like an RNC or a Lexicon MX200? Can I use it as the out to my monitors (Event TR6s) and how would I split the signal into L and R?

What do you use the spdif ins/outs on your Delta 1010? I can't believe that nobody uses them...

Jacob
 
jkokura said:
I've seen some pres like the DBX386 that have spdif outs...but will using the spdif outs allow me to track the two signals to separate mono tracks or simply to one stereo track (in cubas sx3)?

Either / or. It's basically just two extra outputs that you can use as you'd like. Another name for them is "Digital out" and/or "Digital in."

What about using it as an fx send and return to an fx unit like an RNC or a Lexicon MX200? ... Can I use it as the out to my monitors (Event TR6s) and how would I split the signal into L and R?

Again, you can use the extra set of outs and ins as you'd like. It's just another set of inputs and outputs ... like the rest of them on your card. If you've otherwise got an 8-in, 8-out card, then think of them as "input 9 and 10" and "output 9 and 10."

They might even be just that on the 1010 -- I'm not totally sure.

However, here's the catch: you need an outboard digital converter in order to access those extra ins and outs ... or something with "spdif in" or "spdif out." You can't just plug the line out of your mic pre (or whatever) in to the spdif input, for example. On the other hand, a dbx 386, like you mentioned, has an a/d (analog to digital) converter built-in to the unit as sort of an added feature. Basically, anything with a digital output (SPDIF OUT) can feed the digital input of your sound card.

An analog signal processor, like the RNC or most any other compressor, works in the analog domain, so it most often will not have a digital output. Unless, as in the case of something like a dbx 386, it's tacked on as sort of a bonus feature.

Now on the other hand, a digital processor, like the Lexicon reverb you mentioned, will work within the digital domain, and will usually have a digital output. The first thing it does to an incoming analog signal is convert it to digital so that it can start applying all sorts of funky math to it in order to create an effect like reverb. The digital output of the Lexicon allows you to patch directly in to the digital input of your card. The benefit is that the signal stays digital, so the sound quality isn't further compromised by having to "re-digitise" it, :D for lack of a better word.

Now as far as your monitors go ... anything with an "SPDIF IN" and an analog out (LINE OUT, RCA OUT, etc.) will allow you to access the extra digital outputs and use them for monitoring if you'd like.

What do you use the spdif ins/outs on your Delta 1010? I can't believe that nobody uses them...

A lot of people do use them. :D

When I owned a 1010, I would use a dedicated, outboard digital converter with it in order to have an extra set of inputs and outputs. Otherwise, it's just an 8-in / 8-out card. Think of it like this: Your Delta card has 8 digital converters built in to it. 16 if you count both the inputs and outputs. Having an SPDIF input allows you to bypass those converters if you'd like and send two more digital signals directly to your computer. And there are numerous reasons why you might want to bypass those converters in some instances.
 
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I use an ART DI/O with mine so that I can have 10 inputs instead of 8, which comes in handy. I often need 9 tracks and one for scratch tracks, when doing drums, and its been a life saver. Lots of people use the s/pdif for this very reason. 10 is rarely even enough.
 
jkokura said:
What do you use the spdif ins/outs on your Delta 1010? I can't believe that nobody uses them...
Jacob

I run an amp modeler into my 1010 S/PDIF input. Works great.
 
therage! said:
I run an amp modeler into my 1010 S/PDIF input. Works great.
Same here. Vetta II running into the S/PDIF input on my 1010. The S/PDIF output on my 1010 is running back into the Vetta II for reamping.
 
I use the ART box w/ my 1010 also. Does work well for doing scratch tracks.
 
I use the SPDIFs on my MOTU 2408 with a Lexicon MX200. I used to use a DBX386 to buy me two more inputs with SPDIF. This way I could record 10 tracks at once.

SPDIF and Word Clock cables are not cheap so don't forget to factor them into whatever decision you make.
 
I use both S/PDIF ins on my 1010 and one of my 410s.

I connect my M-Audio Tampa directly to the 1010 via S/PDIF and run a balanced out into my board for monitoring, sending to a headphone mix, etc. I've even used all 3 outs of the tampa sending the S/PDIF in directly to disk, using the balanced out into the board for EQ then back into one of the analog ins with a bit of delay to give me ADT and run the 3rd output to another channel on the board for monitoring.

The S/PDIF on one of my 410s is constantly connected to my V-Amp Pro, although usualy only on clean sounds and I'll use that signal for reamping and the like.

I also use one of the S/PDIF outs to hook up to the home hifi if I wanna run a mix to casette tape (you never know) and the CD player hooks up via S/PDIF in aswell.

What else...... I've used the S/PDIF out on my lexicon into one of the cards if I wanna print effects direct to disk........


lots of uses......didn't realise there were people NOT using it :)
 
LemonTree said:
lots of uses......didn't realise there were people NOT using it :)

haha...well, I guess I'm still quite new to this game...

Two more issues I'd like to know about. If I were to use the outs to go "anything with spdif ins and lineout/rcaout" and then to my moniters as CHess suggested, is that gonna hurt my moniters? Is applying a powered signal from say a reciever into my bi-amped moniters going to hurt them? I would love to be able to put something in between the outs of my Delta and my Moniters to help give me both power and volume control...what could I use here? I currently run the main outs on my Delta to the Behringer headphone amp I have, and then run the line outs of that hp amp into my moniters, but that gives me no control...What's a good idea for me to do to give me that control...

About the Art unit giving two extra ins to use - is it worth it to have that unit or a wiser idea to use the DBX 386 straight in using the digital out? I have planning on getting a 386 anyway...though I'm still looking at other options. The reason I ask is that in my mind (and I could be wrong), it seems unnecessary to add extra equipment to the chain...the more units and cabling, the more problem/interferance prone the signal is.

On that note, what are some other Pre's ($400-700) that people like that have those digital outs...

Jacob
 
You still might like to have one of the ART's as a d/a converter to send out to your speakers. As long as you're feeding a line-level signal to your monitors, they'll be fine. Just don't use the "speaker out." :D
 
what about something like the presonus Central Station? is it worth it?

Jacob
 
jkokura said:
what about something like the presonus Central Station? is it worth it?

Jacob


you'd be better off with a small mixer like the yamaha MG series, lots of routing and useable preamps too
 
LemonTree said:
you'd be better off with a small mixer like the yamaha MG series, lots of routing and useable preamps too

True, but it's not practical for space nor is it easy to find a small mixer that's has SPDIF ins...which is what I'm looking for...

I want something that will allow me to use my speakers and I want a pre or two without having to hook up the breakout box of the Delta 1010...

So far the Central Station looks best for the moniter issues I'm having, but samson's unit's so cheap comparatively I wonder if the 'bad sound' issues are exagerated or if it really isn't worth it...I don't like the Mackie Big nob

As for pres...anyone use the 386? and other good spdif out pres?

Jacob
 
i want to know what good sp/dif out pre's there are too. i have heard of the dbx, but i don't think it's very cool.. i like the ART digital MPA, it has alot of nice features.. anything else in that price range?
 
lansingxcore said:
i want to know what good sp/dif out pre's there are too. i have heard of the dbx, but i don't think it's very cool.. i like the ART digital MPA, it has alot of nice features.. anything else in that price range?


M-Audio Tampa
 
Tampa's a great idea. I don't know if they make them any more or not, but I used to have the DI-Port by Mindprint. Now that little bugger was a damn nice two-channel preamp / digital converter for very little dollars. It even had a headphone amp, which I still kinda' miss.
 
The Tampa is now out of production which means you'll pick one up VERY cheaply. I plan to add a second to my rack soon
 
Actually I'm really interested in the Tampa...

But I just also saw the Mindprint Trio...

Would this handle the responsibility of moniter control better than the Central Station would?

Jacob
 
jkokura said:
Actually I'm really interested in the Tampa...

But I just also saw the Mindprint Trio...

Would this handle the responsibility of moniter control better than the Central Station would?

Yea. In fact, the Trio doesn't look like such a bad thing to have around. I'd trust Mindprint stuff long before I would Presonus.
 
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