DELTA 1010 OR LAYLA 24 ???

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Well,

Then can you tell me what the differences are?

I use the DSP in combination with the AX-44 break out box so I do have the same number of I/O's.

Or are there any other differences you can tell me about?
 
as far as i can remember it is 16 bit. the layla24 is , obviously, 24 bit. i tried to find some info on the yamaha site but couldn't find it no more... but i'm pretty sure that the layla sounds better.. cannot prove it though. how many inputs does the AX44 give you then? and are they switchable -10 to +4db? further more the dsp factory is something else as it has the dsp and the layla does not...

ah well, didn't mean to trash your gear... it's something different that's all

guhlenn;)
 
I know it's different, but i had the idea that the two cards where kinda like the same...

Anyhow, do you have an opinion on the SEK'D Siena?

And is the Layla24 easy to set up?

Ryan
 
I use the Delta 1010 with Nuendo and Vegas Video.
Latency with softsynths - none noticable.
Sound quality - superb.
There are many post pro people using the Nuendo/Delta 1010 combo for surround mixing and out put because its clean and efficient with an internal patchbay/router.

As far as software sound quality - many "pros" concur that Logic has a mellow low end and PT has a crisper high end. The claim is that both use differing code to create a mix to output to a buss.

I also run a SBLive at the same time as the delta, as my video capture only lets me capture through the preferred device and I don't set up through the Delta because I don't like stray sounds from out of knowhere shooting out the monitors.
 
Hey,heyeeeee !!!!!!
Now this one doesn't sound good,and at least one bad thing about delta 1010.



" I also run a SBLive at the same time as the delta, as my video capture only lets me capture through the preferred device and I don't set up through the Delta because I don't like stray sounds from out of knowhere shooting out the monitors."

Ah! i'm thinkin' about getting yhe delta 1010.
This was my final pick untill now,what's this mean Dcwave ?????????

Monsieur A. out .
 
Generally rme is thought to have the best a/d/a converters. Also their cards and aardvarks(among others) have a dsp proceesor in them to effectively eliminate latency(1.5 ms). But the combo of an rme soundcard and their a/d/a converters is a bit pricey(though cheaper than apogee's). I'm sure either a layla 24 or delta 1010 will suit your needs. In choosing between the two I'd look into wich one is more current in regards to writing their drivers. Ive heard bad thengs about midiman regarding that. Another consideration is that the delta 1010 can be gotten for less money than the layla 24.
From what ive heard opinions tend to lean towards the layla (wich doesnt mean ALL that much). Aardvark also does good work.

-The delta 1010 is nice, the delta 44, and 66 arent as nice because their a/d/a converters are on the soundcard; theyre still pretty darned good considering what was around in years past and their price.

Also bear in mind as far as 96khz is concerned, the human ear cant even hear as far as 46 khz from my understanding...

As for what audio programs sound better most of the cubase bashing ive heard of comes from audio jocks who use their pt 24 mix to measure and compare penis length and width(and havent actually used it in years, cubase that is). Really each of these programs delivers its own unique way of working. In addition each audio engine does have its own unique characteristics. One thing to consider is plug ins. While vst has all the cheap plug ins it does not have the best ones. There is no wave's,mcdsp, or bombfactory for vst. In the past ive been skeptical of cakewalk, but with sonar they may have come of age. Logic is also sharp as is nuendo, and vegas. I use pro tools and like working with it on my digi 001.

Another thing to remember is that even the best 24-bit converters are actually doing 22 bits(or less) a/d conversion. The companies that design and manufacture the soundcards dont actually make the converters, they all buy them from the same companies.
 
OK - RME HAMMERFALL 9652
(we have the nuendo version. BTW)
Test: record a CD track into 4 stereo inputs on four tracks on Nuendo. 24 bit 48Khz.

Playback all four stereo tracks together.........no phasing!! not even a touch!

say no more!

Cheers
john
 
Monsieur said:
Hey,heyeeeee !!!!!!
Now this one doesn't sound good,and at least one bad thing about delta 1010.

Ah! i'm thinkin' about getting yhe delta 1010.
This was my final pick untill now,what's this mean Dcwave ?????????

Monsieur A. out .
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What I mean is that Somtimes an email attachment, web page, crackle from bad vrc/camcorder output, mp3s streaming from online, etc... may rear its ugly head. Rather that have these sounds go out to the Delta>Mackie>Monitors/Headphones and make my ears bleed, I send them out to the SBLive which has a PC Speaker system turned down low.
I can choose to have a Delta stereo pair as the default Windows playback device if I want to - such as when I'm A/B ing a cd -vs- my mix on the same path.

Also I have a cheap ATI Pro128 and it "demands" that all audio pass through it for clock timing but it looks to the SBLive for the actual capture which is fine as usually I am cleaning up video for the police and I don't need the 24bit capture.

I highly reccomend the Delta1010.
I compared all the players over a 9 month time. Looking at a min/max price range, quality of converters - both specwise and earwise, i/o, future expandibility,cost of future expandibility compatibility with software and hardware. Before my purchase I narrowed it down to the 1010, Tango/Dakota and Tango/RME 9652. It really came down to the Dakota and 1010. I went with the 1010 because of the internal mixer/patchbay. The other 2 don't have that - you must monitor ( while tracking ) in1 on out1 etc... Also only RME and Delta have win2k drivers, But only the dakota and Delta have Midi i/o

Hope this helps.
 
I've been reading a lot about the RME hammerfall lately, and while its an impressive system, I submit that I don't think its converters are better than the delta 1010.
If they were, the price would certainly remove any advantage.


At $550 with vegas pro, the delta 1010 was recently called the "proverbial straight wire(with conversion)"

It does not get much better than that. THe reviewer sent signals via digital and via analog into the 1010, and they sounded the same.

Dcwave, How does the sound of nuendo compare with vegas . I use vegas, and i generally think that it deteriorates quality somewhat.
 
CyanJaguar said:
Dcwave, How does the sound of nuendo compare with vegas . I use vegas, and i generally think that it deteriorates quality somewhat.
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I too find that the audio quality in Vegas drops with more that about 16 tracks of audio. But only when they are all bussed out to a stereo pair. If I send 2-3 tracks out to each of the 1010's 8 outputs I don't notice a difference. I also do not like the special insert effects. I think they muck up the sound.

I went from CEP to Vegas in order to edit police video mostly, I like the layout and the similarities with ACID. Recently I had a chance to do some work on Nuendo and never cracked the manual. It was so easy to use and very powerful so I bought it. Very easy path for me because of very similar layout and user interface - not much of a learning curve. Huge price jumps tho'! But I am very pleased with Nuendo - minor bugs and all.
 
I also do not like the special insert effects. I think they muck up the sound.


WOW. Did you notice that also. I posted a thread in the sonic foundry forum sometime ago that basically said that sonic foundry fx are terrible on audio.

I find that even if I import a wav file that someone else has done, a simple gain change in vegas removes some of the sonic purity of the sound. too bad I don't have money to upgrade to Logic audio.
 
DCWAVE ,let me thank you very,verymuch for the help .
I think i'll be ready financialy to get the delta 1010 and go back to work.But i still be checking on ya'll in this forum this week-end
Peace.

Monsieur A.
 
CyanJaguar said:
I find that even if I import a wav file that someone else has done, a simple gain change in vegas removes some of the sonic purity of the sound. too bad I don't have money to upgrade to Logic audio.
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What I noticed the most with Vegas and audio only was when I mixed internally the sound of the stereo file was different from the multitrack. For simple voice over and music beds on training videos I don't care as much. But for audio only.... well....you know.
 
Quality diminishing with track count is something that I've always noticed. But, this has nothing to do with the software involved. It's your machine. Faster machine, less real time dropouts while trying to do real time mixing (I don't mean moving faders necessarily, but track count. It all adds up though as a hit to your processor and it's ability to perform).

This may explain why your final stereo export mix sounds different than what you thought you 'may have heard' while mixing.. CPU power is what you want, fast drives... and everything else. Whatever it requires to keep it together without degrading your 'real' perception.
 
Emeric said:
Quality diminishing with track count is something that I've always noticed. But, this has nothing to do with the software involved. It's your machine.
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I can appreciate what you are saying, however, I'm pretty confident that my machine is not the reason.
I run:
1.2gh T-Bird
512mb ram
3 maxtor ide 20gb 72krpm
Dual partition Win98se and Win2k Pro sp1
I don't experience any drop out and have stressed tested by system with 68 tracks in Nuendo with 6 tracks of Waves Ren comp, two bussed true verbs 2 bussed delays and automation on 25 tracks. when adding the L1 maximizer over the stereo master under Win98se it started to breakup. Under Win2k L1 and Nuendo compressor. But the final mixed stereo track I created sounded exactly like the multitrack. In Vegas the output does not sound the same always.

I think it has to do with the way Vegas' internal mixer sums the separate tracks to stereo for monitoring -vs- the rendering of tracks to stereo. BTW I've noticed this with Cakewalk, as have other people in the Cakewalk NG.
 
Ok, yes I see what your saying to. The busses in Vegas are confusing for sure. Lack of a master stereo fader is a big drag in that program.

I also use Nuendo and have no problems with the final stereo wav sounding different than the multitrack. Unless, I'm pushing my machine to the edge, where the sound can change. Not specifically drop-outs, but a loss of clarity. I had this problem with a mix I was working on. PIII 650, changed the processor to an 800 and the clarity returned. But then, with the extra 150MHz why not add another reverb and.. back at square one.. and so on. :)

BTW, I notice your running W2K. Any problems with Nuendo? I get the odd DX wrapper not loaded error when opening songs. The machine also never shuts down without hitting the reset key. Any optimization tips? I think I need to reinstall. I'm using W2K Professional, the first commercial release. Not the release candidate. Did the service pack improve something?
 
Emeric,
The only problems I've run into with Win2K is all the damn beta drivers! LOL! Its only been out for year now you would think that someone would have a final release. Seriously, I've had shut down problems and Waves 3.0 causes lockups. So right now I have been using Win2k more for web stuff/graphics. I like it though. It seems to be faster and I'm hoping that with DX8 and WDM some cool new stuff hits the market this fall.


I somtimes get a lockup in Win98se when loading Truverb as an offline effect to print.

I'm also using a the last pre-public release of Win2k. I really haven't noticed anything dif with sp1. I do know that after seeing the preview of WinXP I will not be using it - its too ugly and hurts my eyes! I hope you can turn off that MSN interface/look .
 
Hi CyanJaduar,
where did you see delta 1010 for 550 w/vegas ?
I'm loocking rightnow for the best deal so i can buy it

Thanx.
Monsieur A1
 
i went to go pick up a 1010 today at mars. and they dont have them anymore. they say they are discontinued. i dont know if i can believe them, but they aren restocking, they dont have them, and all the guys could say is that they dont know what happened to them. im calling guitar center to see what they say. althe websites still have them up.
 
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