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"How do I do it?"
Well, thats a very, very interesting story... You see, It all started, that day Mutt Lange was over at my house for tea.... We got talking about Vocals and......
Ahhh never mind.. I'll save that one for another day
Ok.....
Drums....
Boss DR770 for Bass and Snare... The Snare is actually 2 snares layered on top of each other...
The Cymbals and Hi Hats are all real live...
Little Trick, that is simple, but not many drum programmers do it...Have 2 tracks for your snare, and during a roll, or fill have one of the snares flam.. (in other words, make it sound like the drummer is hitting the snare with 2 sticks, but one is slightly later...
I just pasted the snare onto the second snare track, and just nudge it enough to be a little bit late....
This can be done by hand, but it's a little more involved..
You will hear this effect in the first drum fill on the song "In my head" when the " big" drums all jump in...and once again, at the end of that little drum part just before the end chorus comes back and fades out..
Guitars.... POD.. Mexi-Strat... During the chorus, there are 4 layers.. There is a lower power chord, and I pan that left, and then seperately record the same power chord, but with a slightly different guitar sound, on a different track and then pan that one right, and then I do another power chord, which is sort of a "harmony" to the first one, and then do the same thing, left and right with slightly different guitar sound...
Piano....Thats my Roland Groove Keyboard.... Nothing fancy, just a preset...
Vocals.. These were done, just though my Digi 001 Breakout box, no fancy Pre's... The mic I used was a AT4033....
How are the backing vocals done..??
Well, it's actually simpler then it sounds.... there is in all 75 Layers there, and 50 of the layers are sperately sung....
I used an SM57 for the backing vocals... (at least im pretty sure I did)
The only way to get that "airy" Def Leppard sound, is through lots and lots of layers... and I mean seperately sung, I don't mean just cutting and pasting...
I have had people tell me that I can do it with 4 layers... if anyone tells you that, tell them they are talking from there ass... It's impossible..
I have even challenged people who have told me that, and they say they will post a clip, but I have yet to hear one..
It is the fact that the singers breath is going into the mic and onto the track 50 some odd times that gives the vocals that airy sound...
No EQ, or Reverb, OR cutting and pasting will do that..
Everyones system is different.. but here is how I did it...
The higher harmony was sung 25 times all onto different tracks.... You might have to do some bouncing to achieve this...
Then I eq'd and compressed the hell out the the vocals.... I can't say exact settings on eq or compression, cause It was so long ago, and I have since done away with that vocal session...(I had to add alot of High eq and take out alot of mids to acheive "the effect") and then I bounced them all onto one track... I then compressed that track..... Then I duplicated that track, spread the 2 tracks wide... (I had to delay one by a millisecond or so.., cause it went a bit phasey)
Then the lower harmony was sung 25 times, and the exact same method was used... bit it is just down the center, it's not stereo..
Keep in mind, I was doing the vocals in a new session along with a mono bounced mix of my song just as a guide track....
So after I was done the back-up vocals, I mixed them so the fit good together, and bounced them to disk as a stereo wav. and then imported them into my actual song-session..
Then, I just moved them around, and duplicated them enough times, for all my choruses.. (The part was only actually sung once)
Other than that... thats pretty much how it was done...
Mutt Lange does a 5 part harmony for Def leppard and usually 20-30 layers for each part... So thats about 130-160 layers in total... In Def Leppards stuff... But sometimes, it's just a few... like about 100 or so...
Joe
Well, thats a very, very interesting story... You see, It all started, that day Mutt Lange was over at my house for tea.... We got talking about Vocals and......
Ahhh never mind.. I'll save that one for another day
Ok.....
Drums....
Boss DR770 for Bass and Snare... The Snare is actually 2 snares layered on top of each other...
The Cymbals and Hi Hats are all real live...
Little Trick, that is simple, but not many drum programmers do it...Have 2 tracks for your snare, and during a roll, or fill have one of the snares flam.. (in other words, make it sound like the drummer is hitting the snare with 2 sticks, but one is slightly later...
I just pasted the snare onto the second snare track, and just nudge it enough to be a little bit late....
This can be done by hand, but it's a little more involved..
You will hear this effect in the first drum fill on the song "In my head" when the " big" drums all jump in...and once again, at the end of that little drum part just before the end chorus comes back and fades out..
Guitars.... POD.. Mexi-Strat... During the chorus, there are 4 layers.. There is a lower power chord, and I pan that left, and then seperately record the same power chord, but with a slightly different guitar sound, on a different track and then pan that one right, and then I do another power chord, which is sort of a "harmony" to the first one, and then do the same thing, left and right with slightly different guitar sound...
Piano....Thats my Roland Groove Keyboard.... Nothing fancy, just a preset...
Vocals.. These were done, just though my Digi 001 Breakout box, no fancy Pre's... The mic I used was a AT4033....
How are the backing vocals done..??
Well, it's actually simpler then it sounds.... there is in all 75 Layers there, and 50 of the layers are sperately sung....
I used an SM57 for the backing vocals... (at least im pretty sure I did)
The only way to get that "airy" Def Leppard sound, is through lots and lots of layers... and I mean seperately sung, I don't mean just cutting and pasting...
I have had people tell me that I can do it with 4 layers... if anyone tells you that, tell them they are talking from there ass... It's impossible..
I have even challenged people who have told me that, and they say they will post a clip, but I have yet to hear one..
It is the fact that the singers breath is going into the mic and onto the track 50 some odd times that gives the vocals that airy sound...
No EQ, or Reverb, OR cutting and pasting will do that..
Everyones system is different.. but here is how I did it...
The higher harmony was sung 25 times all onto different tracks.... You might have to do some bouncing to achieve this...
Then I eq'd and compressed the hell out the the vocals.... I can't say exact settings on eq or compression, cause It was so long ago, and I have since done away with that vocal session...(I had to add alot of High eq and take out alot of mids to acheive "the effect") and then I bounced them all onto one track... I then compressed that track..... Then I duplicated that track, spread the 2 tracks wide... (I had to delay one by a millisecond or so.., cause it went a bit phasey)
Then the lower harmony was sung 25 times, and the exact same method was used... bit it is just down the center, it's not stereo..
Keep in mind, I was doing the vocals in a new session along with a mono bounced mix of my song just as a guide track....
So after I was done the back-up vocals, I mixed them so the fit good together, and bounced them to disk as a stereo wav. and then imported them into my actual song-session..
Then, I just moved them around, and duplicated them enough times, for all my choruses.. (The part was only actually sung once)
Other than that... thats pretty much how it was done...
Mutt Lange does a 5 part harmony for Def leppard and usually 20-30 layers for each part... So thats about 130-160 layers in total... In Def Leppards stuff... But sometimes, it's just a few... like about 100 or so...
Joe
