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hi guys,

i am looking for a decent guitar ranging from $700-$1000 for recording. Im a keyboardist so im not really familiar with guitars. I am aiming at the Fender Standard stratocasters or Gibson SG's, and they are all at that range.
Any other cheaper or better recommendation will help.

I play mostly punk, poprock and I have a crappy $200 Epiphone and its not good. The reason I bought this cheap guitar is that, i thought it will sound better with my amp softwares (Guitar Rig) and a little bit of editing and mixing, no matter what guitar you have, but now i beleive crap guitars will sound crap no matter what. So im planning for the mid ranges.

Thnx
 
hi guys,

i am looking for a decent guitar ranging from $700-$1000 for recording. Im a keyboardist so im not really familiar with guitars. I am aiming at the Fender Standard stratocasters or Gibson SG's, and they are all at that range.
Any other cheaper or better recommendation will help.

I play mostly punk, poprock and I have a crappy $200 Epiphone and its not good. The reason I bought this cheap guitar is that, i thought it will sound better with my amp softwares (Guitar Rig) and a little bit of editing and mixing, no matter what guitar you have, but now i beleive crap guitars will sound crap no matter what. So im planning for the mid ranges.

Thnx


Two comments.

One, "crap" guitars CAN sound pretty good. As long as the guitar plays well enough and resonates well, you'd be amazed what a simple pickup replacement can do.

Two, you're looking at two VERY different guitars. I'm a Strat player myself (well, mostly an Ibanez Universe player, but my first love was a Strat), but for punk you're not going to want singlecoils. Either a S-S-H strat or a Gibson is probably your best bet there.

And, actually, three - have you played any of Schecter's recent offerings? Some sort of C1 might do it for you - the nicer ones have some seriously pretty tops, Seymour Duncan pickups, and I've been blown away by their fretwork, considering what they sell for.

This is the C1 Custom:

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Not bad for $699 (it also comes in trans blue).

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/2/5/648725.jpg

I have a C7 blackjack I use for tracking rhythm guitar, and it's a really nice guitar, especially considering the price.

The Standard's $549, even cheaper, and not much less pretty:

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http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/...ctric-Guitar?sku=584529&ZYXSEM=0&src=3AGGWXX2
 
so humbacker pickups for punk and rock music right?
If ill buy the gibson with humbacker, will it work for leads and rythms? or do i have to buy another type for each of those?
 
so humbacker pickups for punk and rock music right?
If ill buy the gibson with humbacker, will it work for leads and rythms?

Well, humbuckers are a little darker and more compressed, and are usually used for "heavy" rhythm tones - particularly bridge humbuckers.

And yeah, both guitars will work well for lead and (if you buy a Strat with a humbucker in the bridge) rhythm.

FWIW, I've never got on with SGs - the balance is all weird, they're too neck heavy for me.
 
so the pictures shows all humbackers,

can you show me a link for strat with hambackers? since 90% i will work on rythms anyway
my music will sound similar to greenday or blink 182 rythms
 
One other type of pickup that might be useful in punk/rock is the P90. Some Gibsons, Epiphones, and other guitars feature these pickups. It'll certainly be listed amongst the guitar's features since it isn't as common of a pickup as either single-coil or humbucking pickups.

The P90 has a surprisingly aggressive tone to it, hotter than a single-coil but yet not as loud as a humbucker. Although they are a little brighter than a humbucker.

The Gibson Les Paul Jr. is probably the most popular guitar that features P90 pickups. It's right in your price range as well. That's what the dude from Green Day plays. He even has a signature model Les Paul Jr.

Just another thing to take a look at while you shop for your new guitar.

And for reference, here's a Strat in a HSS configuration (meaning Humbucker, Single-coil, Single-coil as its 3 pickups):

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And here's a LP Jr. with a single P90:

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You can also get a guitar that has coil taps on the pickups,giving you more of a variety of tones.
 
Yo Jerberson! A basic tutorial would be good here. Traditionally, Fenders have been known for the single coil sound. The "humbucker" was introduced to use phase cancellation technology to reduce the annoying hum that single coil pickups can produce, especially if they are poorly shielded. That became the essential Gibson sound. However, folks figured out early on that these 2 types of pickups produce very different sounds, both of which are very cool, like the yin and yang of electric guitar. Gibson also makes single coil pickups, known as P-90's, which you see in the Les Paul Junior displayed above. As you also see, hybrids involving both types have became popular, such as the hybrid Strat seen above, gernerally known as a Phat Strat.

So while a basic Telecaster has single coil pickups, a Telecaster Deluxe has double coils. Hot Rails were developed to drop double coil pickups into the narrower slots on a Strat. Finally, coil taps were developed, where the guitar uses a push-pull tone knob or a separate switch to switch back and forth at will.

All that aside, which type of pickups you use is a matter of preference. While humbuckers are sort of a standard in Metal, if you think single coil pickups can't be used for playing rock, go listen to Jimi Hendrix or Pete Townsend. The tone that you get from an electric guitar is a result of a combination of factors- most importantly is the player. Other factors include the amp, the frets, the type and condition of the strings, the resonant quality, density and mass of the guitar, and of course, the pickups, as well as the type and quality of potentiometers used (volume and tone controls), as well as the wiring.

As a player that uses a number of Epiphone guitars, among others, some of them are actually very good, but the pickups in them, especially the humbuckers, often suck. If the guitar you have plays well, has good intonation (that is- all the notes are in tune everywhere on the neck), it might be that your simplest solution is to have better pickups and pots installed in the guitar. I own an Epiphone Les Paul Custom that is quite a bit better than my former 1972 Gibson Les Paul Custom. The pickups in it sucked, so they got replaced by Classic 57 humbuckers, which cost about as much as the guitar itself, and it was worth every penny. On the other hand, that axe is a Korean made, $600 or so guitar. Most of the $200 Epiphones are made in Indonesia, and it's the exception that doesn't suck.

That said- this is my best advice- First, understand that guitars are made of wood (mostly) by humans (mostly), and no two are alike. Even in $5000+ guitars, you can play two guitars of the same model, and love one and hate the other. This is even more true as the guitars get cheaper, because quality control is something you pay for. So- Richie's rule 1- Never buy a guitar you haven't played, no matter how good a deal it is, how pretty it is, or how respected it is. Corollary of rule 1- Don't dis a guitar you haven't played, because it could be the one good one that was made right by accident. That's the one you are proud to find. Anybody can buy a $5000 guitar that doesn't suck. Just go to a guitar store and wave $5000. It might not be the right guitar for you, but it (probably) won't suck. It takes a real search to find a $100 guitar that doesn't suck, and as they say, before you find the handsome prince, you are going to have to kiss a lot of frogs.

Richie's rule #2- Don't buy a guitar because it makes somebody else happy. They are not going to play it for you. Buy the guitar that you really have trouble putting down, even when your fingers hurt.

Richie's rule #3- Before you plug the thing in, play it *unplugged*. If it sucks unplugged, it's going to suck louder through an amp. Corollary of rule #3- If the guitar sounds great and plays great unplugged, but sucks when you plug it in, don't worry too much about that. You probably will need to replace the pickups, or that's just the wrong amp. Just figure the price of the pickups into the price of the guitar.

Finally, consider that most people who record electric guitars, whether or not they play them, usually get better results by plugging them into an amp, and putting a mic in front of that amp, than they do by plugging the guitar into a recorder and processing a direct signal with software and modelers. First, try to get the sound you want in real acoustic space, and then try to capture that sound. It might be that if you drop the right pickups into that cheap Epiphone, and find the right amp, you'll get better sound than you will ever get trying to process the signal of a truly great guitar in a computer. Best of luck.-Richie
 
+1 for the Schecter's and +2 for the Godin's!

First thing is get a guitar that feels good, holds tuning well, and is set up properly. (Plays in tune throughout the neck)
 
If you've got $700.00 to $1000.00, my vote would be to save a little more scratch and get a Paul Reed Smith. I love all of my guitars, but I have a CE22 bolt on neck that can get pretty single coil-ish depending on the EQ's, but can be pretty full sounding on the dirty stuff.

Ask 10 different guys, get 12 different answers. Trouble is, there's more than one way to skin a cat on this one. Got any guitar players local that can help you with this? If so, what did they have to say about it?
 
Yo Jerberson! A basic tutorial would be good here. Traditionally, Fenders have been known for the single coil sound. The "humbucker" was introduced to use phase cancellation technology to reduce the annoying hum that single coil pickups can produce, especially if they are poorly shielded. That became the essential Gibson sound. However, folks figured out early on that these 2 types of pickups produce very different sounds, both of which are very cool, like the yin and yang of electric guitar. Gibson also makes single coil pickups, known as P-90's, which you see in the Les Paul Junior displayed above. As you also see, hybrids involving both types have became popular, such as the hybrid Strat seen above, gernerally known as a Phat Strat.

So while a basic Telecaster has single coil pickups, a Telecaster Deluxe has double coils. Hot Rails were developed to drop double coil pickups into the narrower slots on a Strat. Finally, coil taps were developed, where the guitar uses a push-pull tone knob or a separate switch to switch back and forth at will.

All that aside, which type of pickups you use is a matter of preference. While humbuckers are sort of a standard in Metal, if you think single coil pickups can't be used for playing rock, go listen to Jimi Hendrix or Pete Townsend. The tone that you get from an electric guitar is a result of a combination of factors- most importantly is the player. Other factors include the amp, the frets, the type and condition of the strings, the resonant quality, density and mass of the guitar, and of course, the pickups, as well as the type and quality of potentiometers used (volume and tone controls), as well as the wiring.

As a player that uses a number of Epiphone guitars, among others, some of them are actually very good, but the pickups in them, especially the humbuckers, often suck. If the guitar you have plays well, has good intonation (that is- all the notes are in tune everywhere on the neck), it might be that your simplest solution is to have better pickups and pots installed in the guitar. I own an Epiphone Les Paul Custom that is quite a bit better than my former 1972 Gibson Les Paul Custom. The pickups in it sucked, so they got replaced by Classic 57 humbuckers, which cost about as much as the guitar itself, and it was worth every penny. On the other hand, that axe is a Korean made, $600 or so guitar. Most of the $200 Epiphones are made in Indonesia, and it's the exception that doesn't suck.

That said- this is my best advice- First, understand that guitars are made of wood (mostly) by humans (mostly), and no two are alike. Even in $5000+ guitars, you can play two guitars of the same model, and love one and hate the other. This is even more true as the guitars get cheaper, because quality control is something you pay for. So- Richie's rule 1- Never buy a guitar you haven't played, no matter how good a deal it is, how pretty it is, or how respected it is. Corollary of rule 1- Don't dis a guitar you haven't played, because it could be the one good one that was made right by accident. That's the one you are proud to find. Anybody can buy a $5000 guitar that doesn't suck. Just go to a guitar store and wave $5000. It might not be the right guitar for you, but it (probably) won't suck. It takes a real search to find a $100 guitar that doesn't suck, and as they say, before you find the handsome prince, you are going to have to kiss a lot of frogs.

Richie's rule #2- Don't buy a guitar because it makes somebody else happy. They are not going to play it for you. Buy the guitar that you really have trouble putting down, even when your fingers hurt.

Richie's rule #3- Before you plug the thing in, play it *unplugged*. If it sucks unplugged, it's going to suck louder through an amp. Corollary of rule #3- If the guitar sounds great and plays great unplugged, but sucks when you plug it in, don't worry too much about that. You probably will need to replace the pickups, or that's just the wrong amp. Just figure the price of the pickups into the price of the guitar.

Finally, consider that most people who record electric guitars, whether or not they play them, usually get better results by plugging them into an amp, and putting a mic in front of that amp, than they do by plugging the guitar into a recorder and processing a direct signal with software and modelers. First, try to get the sound you want in real acoustic space, and then try to capture that sound. It might be that if you drop the right pickups into that cheap Epiphone, and find the right amp, you'll get better sound than you will ever get trying to process the signal of a truly great guitar in a computer. Best of luck.-Richie

Excellent, well thought out response! Richie said what I was thinking...only more eloquently! :)
 
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