David Gilmour sound?

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I know this sounds awfully odd, but, I admire Gilmour's voice more than anyone else. In case you don't know, he is the guitarist from Pink Floyd.
Lots of warmth in voice is what I am looking for. I know he is always gonna sound like Gilmour no matter which mic he uses, but, can someone advise me on some mics and preamps that might get me closer to his sound? Or I should say, gears that will bring out the characteristic of his type of voice out more?
I am running on a budget here, I would say maybe $300-$500 on the mic and preamp. What can I buy/do to get the closest to what I want?

I hope I am not the only Pink Floyd fan on this board...ha

AL
 
I don't think you can realistically get that kind of signal chain for even ten times that much money. You could probly (maybe) hire a room (small) at Abbey Road for about 20 minutes and get that sound if you warn them first. For the same money. Ok so thats a silly idea but its a real big ask to come close on that budget. Having said that, Gilmore would still sound pretty good through a 57 into a bad desk pre. Pink Floyd are just legendary in every way.
 
I love Pink Floyd, but why are you trying to make your voice sound like his? It's not going to, so sing like youself.
 
Gilmour is Gilmour. You might be able to get your guitar to sound like his, but it's almost impossible to get your voice to. It really has nothing to do with the signal chain. He just has a great voice, that's all.
 
hokypokynose said:
Gilmour is Gilmour. You might be able to get your guitar to sound like his, but it's almost impossible to get your voice to. It really has nothing to do with the signal chain. He just has a great voice, that's all.

Seymore Duncan sells a Strat pickguard assembly that has all the electronics that Gilmore uses in his Strat for around $300. But you would still need to play EXACTLY like him to sound like him.
His voice is his and your voice is yours. Enjoy them both.
Now if you want to get the best quality for your voice for that kind of money, I would humbly suggest a Studio Projects C1 mic (~$220.00) and a Joemeek VC3Q preamp ($99.00 at Guitar Center, if there are any left..) The Meek also sounds great on bass and electric guitar.
Good Luck,
Carmen
:)
 
thanks

thanks, CarmanC, you are the only one who actually intended to "answer" my question.

For those who are concerned about me trying to be someone else, you don't have to worry, my voice is totally different from Gilmour's, but, I want a mic and a pre that will bring "that kind" of characteristics out of MY VOICE. In the other words, I guess that kind of frequency range.
So, I am not trying to be someone I am not, but I want a mic and pre to bring and make the warm voice stand out more.
 
Ahhh. So what your saying is that you want your studio to sound like 1970's Abbey Road? That can probably be done. For a big price though probably. Try and look up some equipment lists that they had for Studio 3(I believe that's where Floyd recorded, if not 2). That should give you an idea of what kind of pre amps you should look at buying. I'm sorry if I sounded cold or harsh in my origional post...

To CarmenC:
I know exactly what your talking about and I think it is actually EMG who makes the board.
 
thanks

Thats actually a good idea to look into Abby Road Studio's equip list. But, as far as I can remember, PF only recorded the Dark Side in Abby Road (i could be wrong)

Anyways, thanks. You didn't sound harsh, you were just being bloody honest. ha

It was EMG that made those pups
 
I know that they recorded more because on VH1 Legends Gilmour talked about working at Abbey Road and he talked something about Syd Barret showing up there for the Shine On session. I think I heard somewhere they have a studio on some yacht though. Sounds outragious to me...
 
c'mon fellas...

It really has nothing to do with the signal chain. He just has a great voice, that's all.

:rolleyes:
Ok so, if I read this correctly, and if I happen to have a great voice, guitar sound, etc...then all I really need to to is run on out and pick up a Tube MP and one of those spiffy radio smack condensers and hit record on the old 4 track and VIO-LA!...my recordings rule!!!

I'm not busting balls here but that's what immediately came to mind and seems to go against all logical thought. This ideology seems so flawed. While I am sure David has a great voice, I seriously doubt that if he were standing behind me singing, I would mistake it for the vocal on the record. This makes the above statement and many of the inflections in the above posts false.

Again, I don't want to sound like a dick but a dude asked for advice and practically got a beat down, which may be normal for many forums but is not typically found here.

I'm not a Floyd Fan so I can't even theoretically approximate the answer but I wish I could just so the dude could get a little dignity in return for a simple question.......ya know?


Sure I'll get verbal beating now,

heylow
Rock Jedi/Indie Snob
www.heylowsoundsystem.net
 
breathe...

I believe PF recorded much or their later stuff on Gilmours houseboat - of which an equip list may not be available
 
heylow,

I sure as hell won't give you a verbal beating, but basically, the quote is pretty correct. Most of the great people you hear on records (especially in the old days) got their sound by simply being themself. As engineers, we simply tried to get that sound on tape without distortion, noise, hiss, etc., AND we did that by choosing the most appropriate mic for the singer.

BUT, almost any mic works great with a "great" singer or player. The differences between mics are subtle when you start getting close to the sound you want. Some mics will sound spitty, tinny, harsh, whatever on some voices and you quickly eliminate them from the selection process. Almost any of the rest of the mics will usually work fine.

It's like finding a good guitar chain. Let me tell you a true story that happened to me in late 1968. I used to think, "Boy, if I had a Strat and a Marshall, I could sound like Jimi Hendrix". After all, I was left-handed, too. At the time, I was working for Acoustic Control, designing guitar and bass amplifiers and guitars. Well, one morning, I got a call from Steve Marks, the president of the company.

"Get over to TTG Studios RIGHT NOW", Steve said. "Jimi Hendrix just bought 4 of our amps and he has some questions about them". I made it from my bed to the studio in less than 20 minutes!! I walk in, and there's Jimi Hendrix with his white Strat, standing in front of four of MY amplifiers. Geez. We shake hands and I explain the "Variamp" function that he was having a problem with.

He's really getting into it, and he starts playing with the tremolo controls. I say, lemme have your guitar and I'll show you a neat trick you can do with the tremolo. He takes off his Strat and hands it to me. I start to play it, but the action is too high, so I say lemme go get my guitar out of the car.

I come back with my left-handed Black Widow guitar (heavy body - 24 frets clear of the body, and a neck that feels like butter). I show him the little tremolo trick, but he's just staring at my guitar. He says, "Gimme". I hand him my guitar.

Now, here's the point of my rambling on. He proceeds to play a guitar he's never seen in his life, thru four solid state amps he's never used till a few hours ago, and the sound is pure Hendrix.

There's nobody else on the planet that sounds like that - no possibility mistaking him for anybody else. But it wasn't his Strat, or his Marshall, or his pedals - it was Jimi Hendrix playing on a strange guitar, plugged directly into my amps, and it was still Hendrix.

My point is that David Gilmour WILL sound exactly like David Gilmour thru any mic. Some mics may make him sound a little harsher or tinnier than others, but he will always sound like David Gilmour. Jim Morrison always sounded like Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin didn't give a shit what mic she sang thru. And she was right - it didn't really matter.

Now when you're recording in a quiet room, and you're trying to make some magic happen, yes, the choice of mic can be very important. You don't want a mic that will be noisey, distort, or be unflattering to the singer, but if you think it's going to change their basic sound dramatically somehow, you're very wrong.

But IF David Gilmour were to pick up "a Tube MP and one of those spiffy radio smack condensers and hit record on the old 4 track", yeah, he'd still sound exactly like David Gilmour - it just wouldn't be a great recording of David Gilmour.
 
thanks, heylow, for standing up for me.

harvey, that's a great story to share, and without a doubt, the sound/style of one comes mainly from the person, not the gears. I truely agree with you. I understand this concept long enough, and never pruchased the Gilmour EMG pickups :)

Maybe I didn't state my first post directly enough, and end up getting people to think that I am a wannabee, who wants a cheap(as in money) shortcut to achieve what took others years of practice to accomplish. So, let me try this again

What I am trying to find out is: If Gilmour comes in your studio or home and wants to record a vocal track. Let's say you have a PC, soundcard(2 ins, in case you wanna pull some stereo trick), a few cables. You have no mic nor preamp for him, and you only have $300-500 in your pocket to spend. Which mic and preamp would you buy for the bext result? and why?
What factors would come in your mind while making these decisions? Would you take the characteristics of his voice into concern at all? or just a clean mic and preamp would do?

Ok, I hope this post wouldn't sound as immature to you guys as the first one I posted.
 
I agree totally.....

Harvey,
I envy your Hendrix experience. To hear him play in front of you with your gear must have blown you away.


A1A2,
Now that you,ve changed the question a bit, I think we understand what you want. However your original question was in regard to a signal chain for $500 that compares to what Gilmore might of used. Thats the only reason we drew the Abbey Road comparisons and stuff. Just trying to help. You actually answered your own question in your first question.
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"I know he is always gonna sound like Gilmour no matter which mic he uses, but"

Now where not trying to put you down. Not at all. We are taking the time (our time) to give you free advice.
So now that your question is clearer, I would go for the C1 and the Joe meek.
Peace dude and good luck. I'd like to hear the results. When you do, post it in the MP3 clinic and I hope you like the responces. There's lots of Pink Floyd fans here and you'll definately get feedback.
 
thanks, scott

That was a very simple/direct answer to my question. thanks

Now, would you (or whoever is reading this) take any sort of voice analysis (?) into consideration at all when choosing a mic and preamp (let's disregard the price)? or this is a matter or EQing and other sort of effects?
don't worry about sounding like ayou were putting me down, I totally understand it. As a matter of fact, I have heard stories from sales-men at music stores about how younger customers come back with the exact same gears used by their hero artists and complain that those gears don't sound like whoever.
 
Here's an ambiguous answer you're gonna hate. It depends. The mic choice would depend on the singer. I'd determine what direction we were going in in context of the particular song (an ultra clean, uncolored sound or something with more color, this would dictate what preamp I might try first). I'd put up a decent condensor and listen to the singer and see if it's working or not and make changes from there. I'm always finding that what I thought would work for sure, didn't, and I'm trying something else.
 
Not sure that my answer is gonna be any better than anybody else's answer, but if Dave Gilmour DID come into my studio, I might go out and rent a good mic like a U47 or U67 amd a Neve preamp and a few other toys. But that's not what you really wanna hear, is it?

I'd probably line a few of my mics up and try him on a couple, ranging from normally bright mics (AKG C414) to mellower mics (Shure SM-7), plugged straight into the board at first. If rentals were out of the question, I'd go for whichever mic got me to 80% or more of the desired sound (without any eq or effects) and that's what I'd use. After that, I'd try it thru a different preamp to see if I could get the percentage points up a number or two.

I assume he would have good mic technique and know already how to get the best possible sound for his voice by working the mic.

I'd probably try some low cost mics that include the Marshall V67G, the Marshall V-77, the Oktava MK012/Lomo head, the Studio Projects C1, or T3, and the Shure SM-7 - one of those choices would probably get me pretty damn close.

I'd use the RNC compressor at around 4:1 with about 6 dB of compression on the peaks and a moderately fast attack and medium release. I would not use any eq, either from the board, or from an outboard unit.

Don't know if this is the kinda answer you're looking for or not. That's just what I would do in that situation.
 
yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. I know that it's such a hard question to answer considering the budget and not having the singer singing next to you. But, Harvey, thanks alot, you have answered my question. Especially about the description on the brightness/mellowness of different mics, cus I don't have the access to try out as many mics as I would like to, so hearing simple descriptions allow me to picture the sound(sort of) in my head.

Does anyone here have the experience to compare DMP3 and Joemeek vcq3?
 
Also, If you want to have a Gilmore sound, make sure you are mixing it with a Floyd sound. In other words, Floyds music tends to leave alot of space for the vocals. Gilmore seems like he iprobably sings real close to the mic. That gives him that warm up close sound. But it's hard to mix that sound with busy insrumentation. I guess I'm just saying that context is extremly important as well.
-Wes
 
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