darn latency

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Hey all!

I'm using sonar 5, win XP with 768 megs of RAM in a Dell 4600... around 2.8Mhz if memory serves... I'm using the Delta1010 setup with 10 input / outupt patchbay, etc....

My issue is this: I can't get rid of the latency! The Delta's "zero-latency" is direct monitoring and I can't hear the effects when I use that... also, the delay drives me mad... anyway, I'm looking to get something else... Does anyone have any suggestions for a new soundcard / patchbay setup that will actually provide me with zero latency with my current setup?

I'm only looking to spend a few hundred, but any and all suggestions are welcome.
If I've posted this in the wrong section, I apologize. Please excuse the newbie-ness of this post. :)
 
The Delta's "zero-latency" is direct monitoring and I can't hear the effects when I use that...
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Thats how 0 latency monitoring works

There is no such thing as a 0 latency soundcard. Latency has 95% to do with the computer and drivers and 5% due to the sound card. What drivers are u using? It should be ASIO if its available, next check your latency settings. I get about 6 ms at a 256k buffer with a 24/44.1 file, which is acceptable for me
 
I get about 2ms and it still bugs me...

No such thing as 0 latency... really? How do the pros achieve it? Or do they...?
 
like he said theres no zero latency solution, IF you want the app/DX/VST stream to affect the audio

PT has a latency setup, so even with DSP theres going to be latency
 
Well guys, I'm looking for a patchbay... anyone have suggestions?
 
I'll be experimenting with something like the following very soon to combat my latency... I'm not sure if this would help you or not since I'm talking guitar/bass work...

guitar > splitter

end 1 of splitter > guitar amp (no latency) > mic > preamp > recording interface > computer > muted monitors

end 2 of splitter > preamp > recording interface > computer > muted monitors

I haven't researched enough to know if I'll have problems splitting the signal... I might have to get out the soldering iron and parts catalog...

In the end I'll have the choice of the miked amp, clean input (for amp modelling), or a mix of both.... And at the same time, I'll be able to gauge my performance without latency...

Just a thought... Good luck!
 
the only way I know of to get tru zero latency is to monitor through a mixer on the way in. if you can actualy hear 2ms of delay there's something wrong with you. If you apply delay to a processed track you'll have to go over 20ms, probably 25+ for your brain to actualy detect it.

The delta control pannel lets you route the input back to the output for zero latency, you just have to find a way to monitor that input. A mixer is the easiest way and 80% of the reason you still see big consoles in recording studios while they do all the mixing in the box
 
LemonTree said:
The delta control pannel lets you route the input back to the output for zero latency, you just have to find a way to monitor that input. A mixer is the easiest way and 80% of the reason you still see big consoles in recording studios while they do all the mixing in the box
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I don't get it... :o I'm kinda slow ya know...

Okay.. So the Delta's control panel routes a copy of the sound back to an ouput before it reaches any recording software.. Gotcha

But as far as "finding a way to monitor that input"... What do you mean? Are we talking about the input before it reaches the Delta? Or is it the loopback signal we need to monitor.... Wouldn't they essentially be the same (with the exception of 2 or more channels being mixed, by default, in-box).. Here's a practical example..

2 or more audio sources > Delta > "zero"-latency output > monitoring (headphones/speakers)

vs.

2 or more audio sources > mixer/monitoring > delta

vs.

1 audio source > delta > "zero"-latency output > monitoring (headphones/speakers)


vs.

1 audio source > monitoring (without mixer) > delta

And from the direction of using an external mixer, are we suggesting that this would allow each member of the studio/live band to hear a mix customized for them (before the recording interface, right)? Using busses maybe??? (I'm not up on my mixer chops as you can tell)...

This is a facinating topic and I'm anxious to fully understand what you mean... Thanks for your time!
 
Okay.. So the Delta's control panel routes a copy of the sound back to an ouput before it reaches any recording software.. Gotcha
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Not quite; Delta's control panel enables or disables the signal at the outs.

But as far as "finding a way to monitor that input"... What do you mean? Are we talking about the input before it reaches the Delta? Or is it the loopback signal we need to monitor.... Wouldn't they essentially be the same (with the exception of 2 or more channels being mixed, by default, in-box)..
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Well, you can't monitor the input to the Delta before it reaches the Delta. The inputs are routed back to the outputs as well as to the ADCs, that's all it is.
 
AlChuck said:
Not quite; Delta's control panel enables or disables the signal at the outs.


Well, you can't monitor the input to the Delta before it reaches the Delta. The inputs are routed back to the outputs as well as to the ADCs, that's all it is.
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I don't get the not quite part... I understand the enable/disable part... But how does this make my statement incorrect?

As for not being able to monitor the input before the Delta... Why not? Is there no mixer/di box that would allow for this?

:o Sorry for the fuss
 
I have the 1010LT and was using a mixer with it. I used my mixer for the pre's and for being able to monitor my vocal mic signal before it went into the 1010LT input. I just hooked up my mic and phones to the mixer and sent the mic signal out of the mixer, via the channel insert, to the 1010LT input. I ran my reverb unit thru one of the aux's so that I could have a little reverb while tracking the vocal.

You can also monitor the 1010LT inputs directly via the 1010LT outputs, before they are routed to your software. The only draw back to this is that you can't use effects for monitoring without having them recorded with your mic signal.
 
peritus said:
I don't get the not quite part... I understand the enable/disable part... But how does this make my statement incorrect?

As for not being able to monitor the input before the Delta... Why not? Is there no mixer/di box that would allow for this?

:o Sorry for the fuss
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I think you understand it ok. There must have been some mis-communication there some how.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
I think you understand it ok. There must have been some mis-communication there some how.
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Cool.. Thanks for giving me the heads up... I was really getting worried...
 
LemonTree said:
the only way I know of to get tru zero latency is to monitor through a mixer on the way in. if you can actualy hear 2ms of delay there's something wrong with you. If you apply delay to a processed track you'll have to go over 20ms, probably 25+ for your brain to actualy detect it.
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I can hear 2ms of delay quite well........if we're talking milliseconds. It sounds phasey, not really delayed, but it's not hard to hear. I don't see how anyone could possibly monitor vocals thru software without it being disturbing.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
I can hear 2ms of delay quite well........if we're talking milliseconds. It sounds phasey, not really delayed, but it's not hard to hear. I don't see how anyone could possibly monitor vocals thru software without it being disturbing.
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Yes, you can hear 2ms of delay, but only if you are listening to the live audio WITH the delayed version. Then you hear the phase. If you listen to just the live audio or just the delayed version, you won't hear it or notice it.
 
for singing, you're always gonna hear some of your "live" voice along with the signal being recorded.
 
You won't hear phasing from your voice "outside" the headphones and your voice inside the headphones, though, unless you have some direct signal running in at teh same time. Even with 20 ms of delay you wont hear this.
 
peritus said:
I'll be experimenting with something like the following very soon to combat my latency... I'm not sure if this would help you or not since I'm talking guitar/bass work...

guitar > splitter

end 1 of splitter > guitar amp (no latency) > mic > preamp > recording interface > computer > muted monitors

end 2 of splitter > preamp > recording interface > computer > muted monitors

I haven't researched enough to know if I'll have problems splitting the signal... I might have to get out the soldering iron and parts catalog...

In the end I'll have the choice of the miked amp, clean input (for amp modelling), or a mix of both.... And at the same time, I'll be able to gauge my performance without latency...

Just a thought... Good luck!
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Please excuse my lack of knowledge... What I was looking for is contained in DI box's... Apologies!
 
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