Damaging Monitors?

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What Boingoman said is true. There is certainly more than one way to set gear up, and neither my way or his is wrong, just a little different. Personally, I prefer my amps wide open. By doing that I have all control of the system at a place where I need it, FOH. By keeping the Crossover at FOH and all amps at full, I always have full control of the system with instant access to all critical functions. This way you can also set any system protection (multiband limiters in a crossover for example) to fully protect your system while still allowing the system to do what it has been designed to do. The only time I turn down amps is either when I am turning individual amps down in monitor land, or when the master faders on the console have to be kept so low that the slightest movement translates to a large audible volume change. It really is a matter of preference. However, unless your system is EXTREMELY overpowered (amplifier wise) your speakers are probably safer with the amps open and not attenuated at the amplifier itself.
 
Reggie said:
So I wonder if the volume knob on the back of my active monitors are actually controlling the the amp power (in which case I should turn them all the way up), or just an attenuation knob like a mixer or something (in which case I would prefer to keep them around the middle so as not to push them too hard)?

What do you guys do with the volume knob on your active monitors?

Let me rephrase your questions:
Is the volume knob on my actives an attenuator?
Where should I set it?
Asking them the way you did kind of mixes up some unrelated issues, IMO.

Amplifer output power is determined by input signal level. That goes for any amplifier.

The knob is an attenuator. The only difference with an active monitor and a passive set-up is that the amp is in the speaker box. Your monitors may have a max input level, but the knob is still an attenuator. It turns down the signal going to the amp.

As far as where to set the knobs, it depends on your preference, kind of, and your needs. As long as you know what you are doing, "better" isn't absolute, it depends on your application.

There is no difference between a 100W amp with the "volume" all the way up getting a 0db signal and putting out 100W and an amp set for -6 getting a +6 db signal and putting out 100W. They are both working just as hard. And both will clip if the signal goes past those levels. So the actual position of your volume knobs doesn't affect how hard the amp works at a given power output.

The only way to push the amp too hard is to give it too much signal and drive it into clipping. The volume knob just determines how much signal it takes to do that.

Turning down is fine, if you want/need to run your equipment at a certain level. I like to monitor at about 85 db. I also like to run my board so the main meters are peaking around 0 db when I get 85 db. It's a good visual aid, for me. So I set my amp so it puts out 85 db when the mixer hits 0db on the main output.
It's one of my PA amps. If I have it wide open, it's way too loud even with
-20 on the mixer meters. So I have to dial it back a lot.

Here is the thing: I know how much headroom I have. If I need more volume, I know I can go all the way up on my mixer output meters and the amp won't clip. Or, I can leave my output level at 0db, and turn up the amp. Same end result. The amp gets more signal, and stays below clipping. I get more volume.

People run into problems turning down amps by not knowing how much headroom they have, ie not knowing at what level their amp will clip for a given volume setting. If it's not loud enough, they push up the fader instead of turning up the amps. If you don't know where your amp clips, you don't know how far you can push your level up before clipping starts.
If you do, you can always stay in a safe range.

Like xstatic said, in live work people usually run amps flat out, so control is at FOH and the full volume of the system is at fingertip control without having to run to your amps.
 
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Kaze said:
wow this is new to me.. I got a pair of KRK RP8's and i dont really wanna hurt them at all. They are connected to my Yamaha MG 4/12 mixer but will be soon directley connected to my Audiophile 2496. I have them set to 0db already. So i should be good right there right? .. :( yes i know im a n00b.
Yes, you will be fine. All that means is that they will be hit their max volume when you feed them a signal that peaks around 0dbV.
 
Into the great WIDE OPEN

So I just got a fautly TASCAM STUDIO AMP today.

The volume pots are fhkd up.

But if I can run it wide open, 10 I could just jumper the
pots out...is this correct...

then it would be WIDE OPEN, like a POwer amp without
volume knobs?

I have an Adcom Pre-amp as my patch bay, volume control.
It's sweet, warm sounding and has a cool "mono" button
to check my track/mix volumes.

you guys just made my day!!! thanks...i was pissed from
my Ebay purchase...New In the BOx...yeah fhkng right, my ass.
 
Thanks for all the replys. I was using the monitors with the gain almost all the way down, and the output on the soundcard set at 0db. I also turned the faders down alot because I have to keep it really quiet alot. So I'm guessing the woofers were damaged from such low volume settings?

One other thing I thought might have been slowly destroying them was when I shut down my computer and the soundcard belched? I'm assuming you are supposed to shut the monitors down first?
 
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