Cubase Vs. Protools vs. anything else

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I have a friend that has neundo, i'm going to check it out, and see what all this rave is about.

It better be easy, i'm not all about this learning new stuff :)
 
Nuendo
Protools
Logic Audio
Cubase SX

I think those are the 4 major contendors. Check out features/price. Regardless of what ANYONE says, they are all excellent. It's all about learning what you have. And no matter which one you pick you will have a bunch of shit you'll never use.

As i've heard Logic is the Hardest to use. I use logic, so i can vouch for it's learning curve, but the only thing i can compare it to is Acid, which really has no learning curve and isn't really a sequencer.

I don't know anything about Nuendo, but i know that if i didn't use logic I'd use Cubase SX. And if i had the money for a protools rig i'd use protools. Remember protools hardware goes with protools softwear. So if you have another soundcard forget it.
 
i don't want this getting crazy, i said i work on protools so i know how it is..MY main limit on pro tools.. Track count and audio quality. thats my main problem..
with nuendo i've run back 64 24/96 tracks no problem..where as with my boys digi002 system i can't do this b/c its only 32tracks(5.31 i think it is)
as far as learning curve.. logic and samp7 are the hardest programs i've ever used..
SX and nuendo are so easy.. i know just about every shortcut too which makes sessions just roll so much smoother..

toadies, you had problems recording 1 track in sx? its a simple program to grasp..
the first day i had nuendo.. i think it was version 1.5 i ran a 6 hour session no problem and it was the first time ever running the app.. ???
i guess god gave me this talent for music production. funny i can master any audio app in a matter or hours, learned a ssl9000j in under an hour, own my own company, co own 2 others but i wasn't that great back in high school(c+ student) go figure..
 
c9-2001 said:

toadies, you had problems recording 1 track in sx? its a simple program to grasp..
the first day i had nuendo.. i think it was version 1.5 i ran a 6 hour session no problem and it was the first time ever running the app.. ???
i guess god gave me this talent for music production. funny i can master any audio app in a matter or hours, learned a ssl9000j in under an hour, own my own company, co own 2 others but i wasn't that great back in high school(c+ student) go figure..
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I'm pretty impatience.
 
My, my.

PT is a standard that the industry can afford to have. If you have the money you can get as many tracks and plugins as your fancy desires.

The average home user, on the other hand, has the freedom to concider more cost effective options.

For example, PT LE's very real limitation is 32 tracks. N-track, Cubase SX, Cakewalk, and Nuendo have no such limitations. PT LE's limits were set when 32 tracks was a reasonable high end for computer hardware. Not so any more.

PT only allows 5 sends and 5 inserts per track. SX allows 8. n-track has no limits.

PT LE allows up to 16 internal busses. SX has no such limits.

PT got its "industry standard" status by using on-card DSP back when computers were way to slow to do much signal processing. Now that native systems can reasonably compete, PT is starting to face some stiff competition. Digi is hardly even trying to target the home market where it is FAR behind Cakewalk and Cubase.

And as a simple BBS courtesy, solit already stated that his system is based around the Audiophile 2496- which is incompatible with PT. So if solit want to learn how to mix, seems like something other than PT is going to be his best bet, eh?

Solit, I had forgotten about Logic. FINE program, but no longer supported or developed for PC since Apple bought it.

And for everyone else, is there a major difference between SX and Nuendo in the realm of audio production? I know Nuendo more geared towards post production for video, but is it worth the extra cost over SX for audio? Why?
 
PT as industry standard is marketing hype. If you care to ask, or observe you will see most professionals choose NOT to use PT, or any computer if they can help it. It is industry standard among the same type of people who bought adats last generation.
 
I've heard of logic being used in a lot of studios, apparantly it's all the rage in Europe.

But then again there are probably tons of studios using the other options as well. Which leads me back to my main point, they are all good! But Protools isn't the be all and end all of sequencers that everyone gabs about.
 
hype is hype

PT's HD system with Logic Platinum, very common high end stuff. Studios with SSL gear will have a digital edit system along with it like PT's. PT's is not hype
 
if you want an EASY program to learn, get cool edit pro. easiest program ever. you can learn it in an hour

no midi though.

peace
 
And you can use logic for years and not "learn it", but that doesn't mean it's a bad program...

The more features and functions it has the longer it takes to learn, but the better it will serve you.

But then again most of the shit you may find yourself never using. So disregard the whole debate of which is "best", and find out which is best for you, and in your price range. To an extent they are all excellent programs (I'm refering the the higher end titles which i adressed earlier, but i'm sure there are cheaper options which are good) and it's a matter of personal taste. They are a creative tool to aid you in making music, and the end result in any softwear title is music. Just depends on which will help YOU do that the best. Once you get into the core group of high end titles it's more personal preference, but then again in the lower end titles there are quality issues..

Blah, catch 22!
 
Re: hype is hype

Digidude824 said:
PT's HD system with Logic Platinum, very common high end stuff. Studios with SSL gear will have a digital edit system along with it like PT's. PT's is not hype
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you say that like you work on a ssl 9000.. i have.. and i know plenty of studios that choose to run the better app(Nuendo) over PT and they have neve,ssl gear etc... PT is hype. but i take it your a PTLE user so you don't beleave it..
the front end of most PT studios is what... LOGIC
there are plenty of studio switching from PT to nuendo b/c ppl see how powerful it is.
 
dont matter

im not saying what is better, that is up to the user. I have used LE and HD systems, I have used logic, nuendo, sound soft, bla bla bla. They all do similar functions, some better than others. Its not hype. I know plenty of people that own very expensive studios and the majority of them are using HD systems along with other software as well as analog equipment.
 
They hype comes from calling it an " industry standard "

if theres any industry standard for audio files it is either *.wav or *.w64, both of which pt has a hard time dealing with. Midi files on the other hand *.omf MIGHT be considered an industry standard, and PT has no trouble with these after you buy Digitranslator, however noone in their right mind uses PT for MIDI

Saying that PT is an " industry standard " is a farce, as most of the bigger professionals wont allow PT anywhere near any work in progress if they have any say in it

Industry standard recording format is still 2 " tape

industry standard editing is still a razor blade and a splice block

Im a digital guy nowdays, but I dont have any trouble admitting the truth
 
Goddammit...

Bunch of replies.... but no one even has a staight answer...

SONAR 2.2 XL

nuff said...
;)
Jaymz
 
Fenix is right there, Pro Tools is the Industry standard. The cool thing about PT is that you can record the tracks and take it to almost any pro studio in the world and have them mix, add plugings, and master, without out any hassels. But if your not going to be doing all that, lot's of people love Cubase.

Terry
 
you can take mini discs to most flophouses too, are mini discs the industry standard?

I hear lots of pro studios also might have a few 1/4" jacks lying around

and ADAT's

ADAT's must be the industry standard

wait no, camaros and small block chevy engines are the industry standard. No wait....
 
well maybe they should just call it a "personal standard" to those individuals that like using it. Nothing wrong with using what works, thats my standard.
 
pipelineaudio said:
They hype comes from calling it an " industry standard "

if theres any industry standard for audio files it is either *.wav or *.w64, both of which pt has a hard time dealing with. Midi files on the other hand *.omf MIGHT be considered an industry standard, and PT has no trouble with these after you buy Digitranslator, however noone in their right mind uses PT for MIDI

Saying that PT is an " industry standard " is a farce, as most of the bigger professionals wont allow PT anywhere near any work in progress if they have any say in it

Industry standard recording format is still 2 " tape

industry standard editing is still a razor blade and a splice block

Im a digital guy nowdays, but I dont have any trouble admitting the truth
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How does PT have a hard time dealing with wav files?
 
not such a big deal anymore, even on a mac, with the " pc/mac compatiability" enabled, but since most " pt's" are still the older stuff, yeah theres still plenty of problems. Especially in importing waves of different sample rates and bit depths into a project. Hell, the majority of PT systems out there cant even handle the 24/96khz format that even the cheapos could do for nearly five years now

when the Duck starts talking all this compatibility, it cracks me up. PT is the ONE app that is incompatible, all the others play along just fine

the side that pisses me off harder tho, is the difficulty to make OMF files transfer.

Most guys buy a cheaped out pt setup and dont buy digitranslator, so cant even export to OMF

every cheap ass app out there ( just about) can do OMF in and out no prob, how come " the industry standard" cant figure this one out
 
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