Cubase vs. Emagic or others...

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Hello,

I'm currently using a cracked (am I suppose to say that?) version of Cubase VST 5.whatever. The best results I 'gotten' were when I actually recorded in Acid 3.0 and then imported the tracks to cubase. Everything sounds clear and in your face. Cubase just basically does not seems to be as user friendly and is much more prone to disaster by stupid mistakes than what I hoped. Moreover, editing waves seems next to impossible and annoying with that stupid little wave editor popup that happens when you double click a track. Its plain dumb in my opinion.

So - does anybody have any suggestions as to other recording programs. At school I used Digital performer and remember liking it, though I was only using midi, something I have absolutely no use for here.

How is emagic? Other programs?

T H A N K S .

Oh, its mainly for rock type stuff. I have the audiophile2496. Use Mackie VLZ as submixer. Nice computer (to be brief).
 
Well, cakewalk is begginer, cubase is medium, and logic audio is advanced.
as far as im concerned, thats also the order of quality. Logic audio being the best, but also the most difficult to use. I use logic, acid, soundforge, fruity loops, and some other stuff, and i still can't really sequence things in logic, i just use it for effects and things like that. I find i can do all the sequencing, and things like fades, pans, cuts, and various little tricks ive learned in acid very easily, but its super hard to do them in logic audio, probably just becuase i don't know how to use it. So im slowly learning and moving to logic, but it is much better.yea
 
Would you say that the time invested in learning Logic audio is worth the improvement? Is it really an improvement? If yes, how so? I guess the confusion is this: These programs essentially do the same thing - the difference is in the quality, generally. So then, isn't it safe to assume that the "better" one would be the one with the most user friendliness...

ONe of the major questions I have is with quantizing...is it only for midi/synched instruments?

Monitoring - is it any better in logic? Also, are there any meters in logic? I think this is a H U G E setback in Cubase - the fact that you can't monitor levels as you record..

Thanks.
 
why not just BUY Sonar 2.0? it can do anything Logic or Cubase can want to do...plus it's cheaper.
 
CUBASE SX is the BEST now...don't be fooled by the name Cubase..
it sounds better than any other program out.. even sequoia.

moelar2, you can monitor in cubase...
i use nuendo which is really the best program out but since cubase Sx is out i'm about to switch...its built off nuendo anyway
 
moelar2 said:
Cubase just basically does not seems to be as user friendly and is much more prone to disaster by stupid mistakes than what I hoped. Moreover, editing waves seems next to impossible and annoying with that stupid little wave editor popup that happens when you double click a track. Its plain dumb in my opinion.
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Interestingly, when you purchase software legally instead of using pirated versions, you get a "manual" and documentation that gives you information on how to use the program. This will reduce the number of times you are "prone to disaster", and you even usually get support for problems from the manufacturer.
 
Man, I just lost the long post I was typing when I accidentally hit the ALT key and my next couple of keystrokes reloaded the page.

Well, the point I was making in that post was that Logic Audio (especially version 5) is well worth the money and the steep learning curve. Once you get used to the interface it's quite powerful and very efficient. Version 5 vastly improves the one thing I didn't like about previous versions: the way it handles automation. Add a Logic Control and you've got it made (I probably won't spend the money but I sure want one).
 
Heinz

Actually, I do have the manual. While the manual has been very useful in some areas, it has left some unanswered. And obviously, I don't expect to get tech support from Cubase.

I have no problem paying for Cubase or any other software. I intend to do so. However, since no-one will accept returns on software anymore (I worked at Guitar Center), it is difficult to just buy a program that you are completely unsure of. As for myself, this is troubling on various levels:
1. I'm just getting into Computer Based Recording (Own Roland 1880)
2. Not a computer-based recording buff, hence I'm not quite sure what the pros and cons to the popular software are.
3. I'm bound to make mistakes in my software hunt. Finally,
4. I, much like most other people on this forum, cannot afford to make a $500 mistake!

As far as I'm concerned, I'm glad I got the cracked version first - I'm increasingly inclining towards another product. Once I find one that I am satisfied with, then I will go to Guitar Center and buy it. At that point I'd essentially be buying their tech support and updates...

Don't be upset Heinz - i'm just being a smart shopper - thats all. Don't turn this into a "napster" argument. I'd appreciate any worthwhile suggestions as to my audio, not ethical, problems.

Thanks.
 
Diragor

Were you a Cubase user before?

Thats essentially the vibe I'm getting so far - that logic is more difficult but worthwhile. I'm hoping to get a few more suggestions as to the Cubase concerns; I might open a thread in the Cubase area.

I'm wondering - does the software one uses to record affect the actual [initial] quality of recorded audio? For example, if I have my audio set to 24/48K or 16/44K, will it yield a different result depending on whether I record using Acid 3.0 (which I do own legally), Cool Edit Pro (own), Sound Forge 5 (own), or Cubase (oops)? My guess is that it shouldn't because this is primarily affected by the a/d converters at the input stage. however, I'm wondering whether it is a matter of maintenance - some software recreates, handles, or maintains the signal better than others..?
 
I was never really a Cubase user. I started with Cool Edit Pro because of its very easy and intuitive interface. At the time anything better would've run like crap on my computer anyway. Later I got a better system and needed something that did realtime effects with more powerful editing features so I tried everything I could get my hands on, including Cubase. That was a couple years ago and I've been using Logic ever since. I tried Sonar a little while back but nothing about it made me want to switch.
 
Re: Heinz

moelar2 said:
Don't be upset Heinz - i'm just being a smart shopper - thats all. Don't turn this into a "napster" argument. I'd appreciate any worthwhile suggestions as to my audio, not ethical, problems.
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Not upset at all. My perspective is jaded because I'm a software developer. The argument is not a "napster" argument, that is overly reductionist.

As it stands, there are demo versions of most every recording package on the market. In my opinion one does not have to be an "illegal" shopper in order to be a "smart" shopper.

The demand for cracked software drives the illegal software market, simple as that. If you downloaded it, you are part of the demand and therefore part of the problem.

Sorry you don't want to hear a lecture on ethics, but as it stands we're talking about food on my table and clothes on my children, so my advice to you is Dont Ask Dont Tell, and subsequently I won't give you shit about your illegal activities.
 
heinz

I did not intend on being overly insensitive. My point, however, is that for my purposes, using these "illegal" copies help me decide how to 'put food on your table and clothes on your childrens back' (as you put it). I OWN several software packages - the reason why I own these is because somewhere along the line, either through the internet or friends, I tried the software, liked it, and purchased it. Just like mp3's - I look for music, if I like it, then I buy it. If not, then I move on. I've bought dozens of Cd's I would have never purchased if I didn't have the opportunity to listen to them before hand in my home. And yes, you can argue that I can simply walk in to my nearest Tower Records and listen to it there, but believe me, thats not as easy as logging on to my computer.

BTW - Its funny how you make a direct link between my shopping habits and your food/clothes - thats pretty reductionist if you ask me...

Times change - the internet with its mischiefs and glories create and destroy jobs. Its just a cycle - if you're on the wrong end of it, then find your way up. I'll worry when Lawyers are downloadable.

Finally, I regret having to utilize this 'tone of voice.' All I wanted was audio advice and you replied with a snotty "Interestingly, when you purchase software legally instead of using pirated versions..." - that was not cool - got neither of us anywhere...

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FOR THE REST:

I apologize for this.
 
AMBI...Ray Charles used Cakewalk Sonar to REMASTER some of hhis songs...and since he's blind his ears are something he has to trust more so he has great ears...and i wouldn't think he would of allowed them to use sonar on it if it was the worse(FYI cakewalk is prolly cheaper cuz germans like overcharging ie...volkswagen)

C9-2001

are u a Cubase rep.. all u talk about is cubase sx is the sh!t, and that's it wit nothing to back nothing up

but from a recent test i've heard comparin DP3 and logic..i'd say that logic is prolly a step up from a few others too sonically
 
what does it mean to say that this software sounds better than another piece of software? i'm gonna be thinking a lot more about the hardware i'm using before i'm going to worry over which flavor of the month sequencer to use.....which after all is pretty much a subjective decision....as far as i can extrapolate from the sonar vs. logic vs. cubase chatter.
 
Teacher said:
C9-2001

are u a Cubase rep.. all u talk about is cubase sx is the sh!t, and that's it wit nothing to back nothing up

but from a recent test i've heard comparin DP3 and logic..i'd say that logic is prolly a step up from a few others too sonically
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no i'm not a rep just a pleased customer...and most of the other ppl that have cubase sx are too..cubase sx, isn't really cubase..its nuendo with even more power, that's why on some cubase forums ppl say don't get fooled by the name CUBASE... it sounds so much better than any other program too.... try it of go to your local mars music when they are showing it and just go check it out...its very powerful...

dp3..its great for mac...its easy to use too..but sx and nuendo are on mac too...
logic i can truly say its not that great... i have logic 5 right now...it was given to me from a friend that won it i tried it out, a partner of mine was saying lets switch form nuendo to logic 5 now that we have it...major disappointment for us...i didn't like it at all. i'ma sell it...maybe for $400...i don't care for it. everything is in the box...
 
moelar2 said:
And yes, you can argue that I can simply walk in to my nearest Tower Records and listen to it there, but believe me, thats not as easy as logging on to my computer.
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Well then that's completely different, I honestly didn't realize that. Let's see..... hmmmm.... (scanning Sonar software license agreement)...

YES HERE IT IS!!!

The moelar2 clause. It states, and I quote"...subject to article 9 mentioned above, if the user of said software invents a reality inside his/her head where convenience and actual ownership of other software justifies theft, then said user can freely download hacked versions of said software for "evaluation" purposes, as long as said download leads to the actual purchase of a legal software license at some point down the road. "

Whew I'm glad that's cleared up, never realized that was there in black & white. I'd really hate to think that users of this BBS were actually breaking the law.
 
Heinz...

Drop it already. I could give ten fucks about anything you've said so far -

Thank you.
 
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J.

Thats precisely one of my questions...does software sound "better" than other software - and I'm not talking about plugins or what you can do...i'm really just talking about the bare bone effect software has on sound without user alteration...
 
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