Cubase 5 Mixing Help

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Whoa, this thread really went off huh? :p

I hope the OP found someone to do everything for him for free so we can close it.
 
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Cool. I've lived all over Montreal. I'm in the Waste island now. :cool:
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More importantly, I have rep points - 356220 of them - can I trade them in for something, like new pickups for my Strat, which have gone microphonic ...
 
Hi guys so I took yellow dwarfs advice and am not starting a new track..where can i learn about the eq/flanger and compression..or can you guys recommend any settings..also whats the difference between low high etc? just ive googled the definitions but it's all in technical terms..can somebody perhaps post me a link with help or explain..sorry its just i run cubase 5 and ive only been using cubase a few months..im definetely going to take all your advice..and look back at the original dvd tutorial i got with cubase..and play around with my own ears..
 
Whats a troll? I am actually not a troll. I've done a few mixes basically on Cubase but ive always followed youtube tutorials..so im asking a question which is the point of the forums right? If you guys could make some suggestions be great..just obviously i feel unless i know what these low etc high things are in the eq and mixer and UNDERSTAND..i wont know what to do to a song/vocals etc if u understand?
 
MasterRS said:
Whats a troll? I am actually not a troll. I've done a few mixes basically on Cubase but ive always followed youtube tutorials..so im asking a question which is the point of the forums right? If you guys could make some suggestions be great..just obviously i feel unless i know what these low etc high things are in the eq and mixer and UNDERSTAND..i wont know what to do to a song/vocals etc if u understand?
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If you don't know what a troll is and in the next sentence you say that you are not one, you are either a troll or something I can't say here.

You'd have to look up what an internet troll is in order to understand. People here have continually given you advice to follow, like "try it yourself", like "a video won't help", like "listen with your ears". If you have read and understood any of the posts in this thread, or in any other threads where you've asked questions, you would know by now that there are no settings to recommend, there is indeed a big difference between low and high, and there is no magic video to watch that will teach you how to mix.

Here is something to try:
There are plenty of places on the web where you can get the individual tracks that actually make up a well known song, or even the stems (look it up). They will be the raw recordings with no effects on them. Your job will be to find these tracks, download these files and load them up in cubase. Mix them into a song by adjusting the volume, panning and trying different effects on them. Twist the knobs until it sounds bad. Twist the knobs until it sounds good. If this doesn't teach you what low and high is and what the different presets (settings) on a compressor or any other effect do, then you should sell all your gear and try something else.

In all honesty and candour.
 
Master, people on this forum will usually help out anyone they can, but there's only so much we can do.

All of your posts here tend to go
"can someone give me guides/presets/tutorials/whatever"

then 20 people say "use google, read books, surf youtube, experiment, etc etc"

Then you say, "Ok, I will, but can someone give me guides/presets/tutorials/whatever"


It's like talking to an AI man.

Honestly, If your question boils down to wanting someone to do everything for you, and it has to be free, just give up on the whole shebang.

I hope I'm not being unfair here. Everyone has questions, that's fair enough, but everyone on here did some amount of work to get themselves started.
Anyone born in the 'age of the internet' has no excuse.

I can sympathise, I'm like that with electronics. I just post on a forum and basically say, look, I'm a dumbass at this. Can someone tell me what to do?
You get away with that once in a while trying to fix something, but if music production is going to be your hobby, you need a bit of motivation man.
For me, if i ask for help and I'm told how to do something, that's great, I learned something.
But it's a disappointment cos then I realise I could have figured it out myself.(sometimes,lol)
 
Actually I searched up what a troll was. And whilst I understand what your all saying.
Originally I asked for help and people said experiment..I did that and I cant seem to get the sound am looking for..i sent a few tracks out to people and they said my recordings originally needed to be slightly better..so I looked into getting a new mic and followed numerous people's advice off here..and got the se x1 mic bundle with the sapphire 6..since ive looked into where you record as from what ive read ive discovered the original recording is important..ive now got that right and i was told look up books videos..theres plenty on youtube..i followed some youtube tutorials..and i listened with my ears and thus felt on other mixes i had gone wrong..so i posted the latest track with the youtube and effects I have done..therefore how the hell am I troll?
The only reason ive asked for direct links is because prior to people saying use google etc..i replied saying for cubsae 5 there was nothing specific to tutorial you without paying..i was asking for FREE links not paid ones not for people to do it all with me..but then posters have contradicted what your saying and said youll neveer learn everything in a book..but obviously learning more about mixing and mastering would helpe me! Therefore I am not a hater or 'troll' but yet a newbie whos trying to learn..but now am going to basically re-record a track today..and ive downloaded a few ebooks from my playbook on cubase and a few youtube videos ive found after advanced searching..then along with my ears..im going to also have a listen experiment and comeback for further advice..thanks guys :)..ps: im not a troll lol :)
 
Cool,
Listen, I hope I'm not going to unleash a barrage of questions here but you'll probably have better results if you work away, do what you're doing, and when you hit a specific problem, come back and ask.

"How can i make my recordings better" is a terrible start, but if you post a clip of your recording and a clip of something you want to sound like, then say "my vocals don't sound as full as this guys", someone might be able to help.

You see what I'm saying?
 
i totally understand what your saying..which is why previously i posted that exact question in the cubase forum..but recieved no response..I got adviced about delay effects..but when i asked for an explanation..as I didnt understand the original OP's settings or advice..I never got a response..I then went and experiemented with delay hundreds of times on a prior recording project I had saved on Cubase..whilst I tried to look at the adviced settings ie 'ms' etc I could not get the delay to the desired effect of the track i had posted or how i wanted..however i did improve my delay skills slightly as i managed to get a slight delay..obviously i need to work on this..and work out why/how I went wrong..but i only ask questions because I think hmm if im stuck here im sure someone else is..and u cant ask a book a question!! Hope you guys understand..
 
Set it for a mono delay (if it's a dual-left right' delay just keep both sides the same for mono.
Feedback (repeats) %0 for now.

60 ms @ 50% mix This is a very short but with a strong mix hardly sounds like echo' more of a crackle' double edge. Play with the mix%.

75ms @ 10-20%. Getting into a short lively delay effect. As the delays get longer they can get easier to hear, and/or just want less level.

Do the same 85 to around 105- 'slap back territory.

Once you get a feel for them pick one that works for now. Anything above 75 or so try tweaking the delay time to the rhythm- 1/4, 1/8th, 16ths, 1/2 notes, all fair game.

Mono sits behind and with the track. Real shorts blur and thicken, longer adds depth and motion.

Shift one side's ms 5-10 for a stereo effect. 20 to 75 or so (+/- a bit L / R) adds spread to the mix.

On strong enough to hear stereo delays with just a few ms difference- the short one will appear to be louder and pull the image over- the precedence pan' effect.

If you want to go deep/long, 200 on out. Often just a hint does it, most cases roll off the highs.

^ I basically tried to do this..but on cubase 5.1 could somebody point out a screenshot of exactly what your meant to edit for each part here as i opened up the mono delay but didnt know which part related to each..
 
Hi guys well i played around and come out with the following:

What I've done

COMPRESSER
EQ
DE-ESSER
REVERB

Step 5 Turn all the vocals down to -infinity
Step 6 Bring up the lead vocal(s) to desired volume
Step 7 Bring up backing vocals to desired volume
Step 8 Apply panning, EQ, FX if needed.

Obviously my first post is this original mix/song on youtube

BELOW: is the instructions ive followed from numerous advice from here mixed with books/tutorials

zSHARE - Stay Schemin Remix 2.mp3

Let me know what you think? One area I am very stuck on is EQ to be fair..
 
Okay, I've got you.

I'll say you've got a great imagination. Besides all the mixing questions and answers that you want answers to, maybe you should post a song without all the "niggahs" and "fuq the white bitch" stuff that makes all us good old boys really uncomfortable, not to mention our kids who might be sitting in the same room as this ... this ... this ...

I'm sorry I got involved in this thread and officially remove myself from this and any other threads in which MasterRS begins. Let's agree to disagree.
 
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Set it for a mono delay (if it's a dual-left right' delay just keep both sides the same for mono.
Feedback (repeats) %0 for now.

60 ms @ 50% mix This is a very short but with a strong mix hardly sounds like echo' more of a crackle' double edge. Play with the mix%.

75ms @ 10-20%. Getting into a short lively delay effect. As the delays get longer they can get easier to hear, and/or just want less level.

Do the same 85 to around 105- 'slap back territory.

Once you get a feel for them pick one that works for now. Anything above 75 or so try tweaking the delay time to the rhythm- 1/4, 1/8th, 16ths, 1/2 notes, all fair game.

Mono sits behind and with the track. Real shorts blur and thicken, longer adds depth and motion.

Shift one side's ms 5-10 for a stereo effect. 20 to 75 or so (+/- a bit L / R) adds spread to the mix.

On strong enough to hear stereo delays with just a few ms difference- the short one will appear to be louder and pull the image over- the precedence pan' effect.

If you want to go deep/long, 200 on out. Often just a hint does it, most cases roll off the highs.

^ I basically tried to do this..but on cubase 5.1 could somebody point out a screenshot of exactly what your meant to edit for each part here as i opened up the mono delay but didnt know which part related to each..
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I'd no idea someone had point-by-pointed like that.
What do you not get?

Any thing in ms is milliseconds. That's the time gap between your original sound and the delay.
Anything with % is wet/dry amount or effect amount.
0% means you only hear the original, 100% means you only hear the delay.

Some plugs don't have it like that, they just have wet volume and dry volume instead of one slider for both.

In this case 20% wet equates to original at 80 and delay at 20.
 
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Firstly Yellow Dwarf may I comment saying this is a remix of rick ross and drake's song and on the chorus it is them singing saying n words etc..not me. I have rapped on it but nothing offensive or racist like that. Im asking for your opinion on the mix and what you think it needs for a more pro sound.
Secondly steenamaro in cubase i dont understand which part when u open mono stereo etc relates to each of those? in the delay? if u cud post a picture be great to help me! Thanks
 
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in cubase i dont understand which part when u open mono stereo etc relates to each of those? in the delay? if u cud post a picture be great to help me! Thanks
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Yeah man, 'in the delay'. Why do you need a picture? You have a stereo delay in Cubase 5. Look at it yourself. You really need to take more time using the effects, and figuring out how they work man. This above (delay) is about the most simple of all plugins there are. If you are not able to figure it out yourself, with detailed directions........then, you should probably find a friend who does. No offense meant, but some are just not good at this sort of thing. I myself can't cook for shit. That doesn't mean I don't try, but some people are just better than others. Cook a burger, if it sucks, try something else. I just order delivery sushi...:)
 
Thanks. Ive found it now and played around with it..yeah it's pretty nice..still experimenting with it in fairness.
However I've recorded another track since and basically my instrumental is a mp3..now the instrumental is overpowering the vocals..the vocals sound drained under the instrumental. I've tried an eq, compression and I don't know it still doesn't sound 'mixed' in if you understand me..what advice can you give me on items to do..I've watched afew youtube videos..and also read a few articles but i'm lost with what to do..I noticed someone said something about the equaliser curve which ive played with..but can you recommend what eq settings you guys use on high pass, para etc for the eq for rap vocals. I've read alot of different things you see..thanks
 
You know I was actually going to ask about this before but I didn't.

Are you recording vocals over pre recorded backing tracks?

If that's what you're doing you're really up against it man. That can be an absolute nightmare.

You get people saying "What can i do....it just sounds like I've stuck vocals over the top of a song"..........

Because that's exactly what they're doing.

Again though, nobody can recommend eq settings to you.
The only reliable way this can be done is for someone to sit at your session, figure out what works, then tell you.
 
^^Yup^^

Eq, hell every effect, is decided upon what the source track gives, and how it works in a particular mix. The variables within the effect itself are adjusted dependent upon what the effect needs to do to make the track work. These are directly relative to what the other tracks do in a mix. It is absolutely not possible to give a 'Rap Preset'.

Within any given genre of music, there is never one set way to get something to sound good. Ever. That is why you must learn how to use each effect, and how it works with a given track. And how that given track works with the other 'backing' tracks. This is why people who do this stuff well, get paid.

Advice/opinion can be given for a specific track, but that will likely not work at all for another.

Oh, and I won't listen to a file that I have to download. Link it to play here.
 
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