Critique my Recording Methodology Please?

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I'll be recording my first band in a few weeks and have been trying to come up with some ideas to implement when working with these guys. I'm throwing this out here with the hopes that maybe some people may be able to critique/commend my plan of attack. First the band is a four piece rock band and I am recording them at their rehearsal space, we plan on doing five songs. As for gear, I have a Fostex FD8, Alesis 3630, Joe Meek VC2, ART FX9 (? can't remember, 1/3 rack effects processor), 2 SM57s and a CAD condenser mic.
No headphone amp/distribution, I''ll be monitoring them through a $40 pair of headphones.

I plan to mic the kick and snare/hi-hat with my SM-57s and then throw the condenser over the center of the drums, diagonally facing out. The drum set is a five piece and I hope to capture the toms overhead cymbals through the condenser. Obviously I'll have to go with what sounds best as far as directing the mics but this is my current thinking of getting the drums down. I'll have the bassist go direct into the Meek and then into the FD8 and plan to record the drummer and bassist together (2 tracks for drums, 1 for bass). I used to record my old band with my 424MKII but I used to really go overboard on compression so I'm trying to scale back considerably and work on getting a sound down to my FD8 w/limited (if any) compression.

After I get the five songs down with the bassist and drummer I plan on recording the guitarist to one track. I don't know what rig he has but I've volunteered my 50 watt JCM 800 2x12 (Celestions) and would like to mic both speakers w/the SM-57s and then use the CAD about 6-whatever ft away and attempt to blend it on to one track (i'm a guitarist myself so I might be going overboard). Then I'll have the
guitarist run through his rig with another guitar and mic it the same way to another track. Finally I'll do the same thing for his leads.

Once the rhythms are down I'll record the vocals which is where I've always struggled. With my old band and the 424 I could make pretty good mixes sans vocals but once we got the singer down I had a lot of trouble getting a healthy sound to tape. So I'm pretty concerned here. All I plan to do is use the SM-57 and have him sing through it and use the Meek with some light compression. I can double him with one extra track I'll have (2 drum, 1 bass, 3 guitar, 2 vocals) for harmony parts.

I guess I'm going with recording 101 but this is what I think is the safest way to get sound down when you're not used to working with another band. Oh yeah, what about monitoring through crappy headphones? Anything to look/listen for when working on getting the initial sounds down since headphones sound better than normal speakers?

If any of you have any suggestions for me I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
 
Consider this set up.You have 8 tracks to work with ,right?
#1 snare #2 kick #3 stereo overhead L #4 stereo overhead R #5 bass #6 rhythm guitar #7 scratch vocal (to help everybody keep their place) #8 open
This is a standard "rhythm bed".You get stereo kit plus individually adjustable kick,snare,bass,and rhythm guitar in one pass.When mixed to a stereo sub-group,you now have 6 tracks left
Next is lead vocal,harmony vocals,doubled rhythm guitar and lastly any solos.
You seem to have good gear.Pay special attention to "subtractive" EQ when setting your levels.For example the kick drum.Roll off the highs (a mixer would be nice)NOW on this one track rather than trying later to tweak it in a way that scoops the range of other instruments.See?The snare would be opposite,roll off the lows BEFORE you inject the signal.
Many guys think of EQ in an additive way."I want more highs,so I turn up the high knob".But that amplifies the inherent noise.Instead,turn Down the bass and mids and then boost the overall level back to its previous position.The result will be MUCH quieter.
This post has gotten way too long so I'm outa here!Good luck.
Tom
 
wouldn't the cad condenser be better at tracking the vocals?i don't know this mic at all(i am pretty new to digi recording myself)but,if it is a large diaphragm mic,i would think you would use it on more applications,but since i don't know the mic nor what effect you wanna create,maybe i dont know what i am saying.also,i really really like and very much agree with what tom hicks said,it is the most important aspect to not turn things up,but to turn other things down and e.q. to really bring it up.

but if you want more of the tracks free up,you might wanna borrow a mixer and sub mix the drums ,or bounce a good drum mix to two stereo tracks.i'm gonnaput up this article i just found in a nother post.read it if your interested in some neat micing techniques.(though,the guy in the article has more equipment,some stuff can help)

i think it sounds like you pretty much know how to utilize your equipment.and yer not going overboard w/ the guitars.it's nice to get a good guitar sound as well as everything else.sounds like your concern lies in the vocal.spend some time with experimenting,and i'll bet you'll get a killer sound from what you know and have.good luck!
 
Here's what I've done in a similar situation using nothing but 57's:
2 Overhead drums
1 on the snare
1 on each tom (3)
1 on the kicker

I then mixed, compressed, and gated (using 3630's) the snare, toms, and kicker onto one track. I left the 2 overheads for a stereo spread.
This gave me 5 more tracks for everything else. 2 rythym guitar tracks (each panned over for stereo), one bass (ran DI from the amp and compressed with a 3630), one lead guitar track, and one vocal track. The results?


I strongly suggest getting a few more 57's and micing more parts of the drums.
 
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