Creative Audigy 2 ZS.

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I am currently finishing up a project that I did with the creative sb live platinum. The sound quality sounds excellent in my opinion. The audigy 2 you are interested in getting is capable of recording at a better resolution than my card so I would get it. People bash creative cards all day long here so I have included a sample of the work I am doing all done on that card. Let me know what you think.

http://www.daretosing.com/?include=view_include.php&view=145&&element=0

-Savoy-
 
bump.

sdsi, is that a clip of a hip-hop/rap/rnb thing? If it is I'm afraid nothing will sound good to me :D
 
sdsi said:
I am currently finishing up a project that I did with the creative sb live platinum. The sound quality sounds excellent in my opinion.

Excellent compared to what? If you don't qualify your statement, it doesn't mean much. Have you used more expensive cards in the past?
 
brzilian said:
Excellent compared to what? If you don't qualify your statement, it doesn't mean much. Have you used more expensive cards in the past?

The OPINION was qualified by the sample I posted.

-Savoy-
 
Please answer me someone.

Please!!! I still need an answer!

The POD 2 is a digital guitar modeller and its output sample rate is 31.250 kHz and A/D/A conversion is 20 bit.

So would 24/96 recording still make any sense? I can understand recording at that rate for something truly 'analog' such as acoutic guitar, drums or even mic'ing a high gain amp. But for a POD?

Thank you again.
 
Re: Please answer me someone.

Nitronium Blood said:
Please!!! I still need an answer!

The POD 2 is a digital guitar modeller and its output sample rate is 31.250 kHz and A/D/A conversion is 20 bit.

So would 24/96 recording still make any sense? I can understand recording at that rate for something truly 'analog' such as acoutic guitar, drums or even mic'ing a high gain amp. But for a POD?

Thank you again.

Of course it makes sense, what's the output of the POD has to do with what you are recording??? you still recording @ 24/96 in your machine...... ;)
 
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ViLo said:
Of course it makes sense, what's the output of the POD has to do with what you are recording??? you still recording @ 24/96 in your machine...... ;)
But for what purpose? The POD outputs at a certain frequency and that frequency only. Why would recoding in 96kHz mean capuring better audio? Same goes for the bitrate.

I would understand if my POD had an output of 96kHz, and there fore I would record at 96kHz and not lower to avoid loss of frequencies.

Still trying to understand my friends.
 
sdsi said:
The OPINION was qualified by the sample I posted.

-Savoy-
Sorry Savoy...

That clip was terrible..... very thin-sounding and there was distortion all over the high-end....
 
If you record at 96/24, you have more signal/resolution to work with when you are mixing. Most folks (including myself) will recommend recording with a 24-bit wordlength , but only 44.1khz sampling rate. The reason being that you can do alot of harm when you downsample from 96 to 44.1 for making CDs. Stick with 24-bit because it allows you to track at lower levels (so as to not worry about clipping) and still have a usable signal. Mixing at 24-bits also gives you alot more to work with when you process the digital signal. You can then dither to 16-bits when you're ready for the CD.
 
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Nitronium Blood said:
But for what purpose? The POD outputs at a certain frequency and that frequency only. Why would recoding in 96kHz mean capuring better audio? Same goes for the bitrate.

I would understand if my POD had an output of 96kHz, and there fore I would record at 96kHz and not lower to avoid loss of frequencies.

Still trying to understand my friends.
NitB....

First off, I would not bother with an SB card if you're serious about recording. It simply is NOT up to even a semi-pro calibre.

Second, when you connect digital devices together, they all have to be communicating at the same language. You cannot generally mix sample rates, so you could not digitally connect a device clocking at 33KHz to another trying read the data stream at 44.1KHz.... so you would be connecting the POD outputs via ANALOG anyways....

Third, there's a lot of misunderstanding about the advantages of 24/96 over 44.1/16..... it really all comes down to the quality of the A/D converters. A high-quality 44.1/16 card will sound MUCH better than a poor-quality 24/96 card. By design (to keep costs down), SB cards simply don't have very good A/D converters. Period. You can do much better with more recording-oriented cards....

With regards to the question of why anyone would track at 24/96 when CD are at 44.1/16 is another common misunderstanding. The easiest way to explain the reason why would the process of computer graphics. If you scan a picture at lo-res, and perform hi-res digital processing on it, then scale it down again for printing, the results are FAR inferior than if you started with a a hi-res scan, stayed hi-res for processing, then scaled it down for printing.

One more thing - BITRATE oes not refer to 16 or 24-bit recordings. It is bit resolution, word length, or wordsize. BITRATE only applies to lossy-compressed audio/video formats, representing the number of bits transfered per second.
 
Hmm.... gordone and I typing at the same time! I guess he types faster!!!
 
Respect for Blue Bear Sound!

Blue Bear Sound! Thank you very much for responding to my thread. It is an honour indeed!:)

-Ok sir, now you and gordone have made the most contribution to my thread so far.

-Keeping that in mind gordone suggests that I leave my recording in 44/24 and make it 44/16 for audio cd rather than record 96/24 and then downmix to 44/16 for audio cd.

-Suppose I had an M-Audio usb soundcard, Blue Bear Sound, what would you recommend I do with the POD? Record in 96 and downmix to 44 for do as gordone suggests or simply do my recordings in 44 itself?

Thank you and once again I apologise for being a home recording forum 'Forrest Gump' :D
 
The other thing I didn't point out is that the wordsize is, IMO, the more important element of the two parameters in that for the same sample rate, sonic advantage of a 24-bit recording over 16-bit is more immediately evident than the difference between 44.1Khz and 96Khz sampling rates (with converters of equal quality.) So you can record at 24-bit/44.1KHz and net the advantage of 24-bit resolution.

Converting from a hi-res format (24/96) to a lower-res or Redbook (16/44.1) format is called dithering, and it would be the very last step you'd perform in the process.

(ie, this doesn't occur until you're burning the 2-track mixes for copying)

The idea is to start with a hi-res recording, and STAY in hi-res until the end of production, when you need to "dumb-it-down" to 16/44....
 
Ok so blue bear suggests rec 94/24 and then diter to 44/16.

Gotcha. Thank you very much :)
 
Nitronium Blood said:
Ok so blue bear suggests rec 94/24 and then diter to 44/16.

Gotcha. Thank you very much :)
Actually, to be more precise, I suggest any of 24/96, 24/88.2, 24/48, 24/44.1KHz, and then dither down to 16/44.1......!
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Actually, to be more precise, I suggest any of 24/96, 24/88.2, 24/48, 24/44.1KHz, and then dither down to 16/44.1......!
Hmm... but I can't go wrong with 24/96 right? :D
 
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