Craig Anderton Reviews CEP 2.0

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I'm reviewing CEP2 for Keyboard and while you'll have to read the mag to get the full report, here are a few items of interest...

STRENGTHS

CEP2 does looping really well. Think Acid with a built-in digital audio editor.

I think the interface looks a lot nicer...more like Logic, Cubase, FruityLoops...that neutral kind of "euro look."

Real time effects - it's about time. But with processor-intensive effects, you need to tweak the premixing parameters to prevent breakup. I appreciate the serial/parallel mixing option.

I still like the concept of a program that does multitrack recording AND serious digital audio editing. The effects/plugs included with the program are solid, the de-noising/clicking stuff if very good.

Being able to change the levels of individual samples works SO much better than the pencil tool in other programs.

The Scripting feature is very cool.

The video import function is solid.

I love that you can type in a precise number of samples and trim to that. Fantastic for creating sample-accurate loop lengths.

It recovers files very well if your computer locks up, thanks to that whole premixing concept. But so far CEP2 has been quite stable.

You can load just about any format in the known universe and convert to any other format in the known universe.

Multitrack mode is more intuitive than Wavelab's Montage mode, which also tacks on multitrack capabilities to a basic digital audio editor.

LIMITATIONS

No real MIDI editing. You can load in an SMF and split it into pieces, but that's about it.

No soft synth support (boo!!).

For some reason, CEP2 doesn't recognize VST effects run through VST-DX adapter. It's the only DirectX program I have that won't see the VST effects.

No meters on individual channels, just for the master. Or am I missing something?

Can't save videos in formats other than AVI.

Editing software without a multiband compressor?!? Yes, you can create a script to run a compressor multiple times to give the same result, but that's a pretty convoluted approach. Better to spend the bucks on a multi-band compressor plug-in.

Real time effects still aren't handled as seamlessly as programs like Wavelab.

So in conclusion, it's a lot of bang for the buck. It's definitely an overachieving digital audio editor, but in many respects, it doesn't replace programs like Sonar, Cubase, Logic, etc. because of the minimal MIDI and soft synth support (assuming those things are important to you). My take is that people who already like CEP will like CEP2 even more, and it will also pick up some new users because of the multitrack/audio editor/looping/built-in effects combo at a really reasonable price.

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Craig Anderton
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As far as its limitations,

I could care less about the video part.

I do all my midi editing in reason or audiomulch or other dedicated midi environments.

I had no trouble running a VST adapter.

Meters on channels would be great. I guess maybe in v 2.1.

As far as a multicomp...my guess is syntrillium has a copy of waves' C4 so they figured why reinvent the wheel. Nobody is going to outdo waves in the comping or multicomping dept.

For what CEP does, it does very well. Its main stregnths will always be a very intuitive layout, very solid code and quality native effects.
 
wow. I was writing a review for another recording website and he says basically everything i said.

Like I said in a few other posts, CEP 2.0 does everything I ever wanted CEP 1.* to do and then some. I still prefer to mix in Nuendo, though. But for doing any editing, track compositing, and now basic audio for video, looping, CD burngin, CEP 2.0 is my deluxe swiss army knife.
 
Are either of you having any problems with stability in 2.0? Crashes, freezes, saving problems...?
 
Not really. Or Im attributing it more to the number of programs Im running alongside it rather than CEP itself.
 
dobro said:
Are either of you having any problems with stability in 2.0? Crashes, freezes, saving problems...?

I hadn't had a problem while I was doing my project on a PIII 600 Windows 2000, piece of poop audio card. But I wasn't doing much other than chopping up some tunes in the multi-track view. But tonight at home I worked with the demo some more for a review I'm writing, and I had a lot of problems. I locked up everytime the explorer window came up when I was trying to open a wave file. It took a few restarts to rectify. I couldn't replicate the problem.

The only other problem I've had so far is that when I adjusted the tempo when working with a loop, 120 wasn't 120. It was more like 200 ludicrous speed. I double checked against 120 in Acid Pro. Weird. I haven't done too many fx and haven't gotten to using multiple busses yet. That's for tomorrow night. I also had a weird problem where I was playing a multitrack session and I had a bunch of weird phase anomolies. I stopped and then restarted and everything was fine. Again, I couldn't replicate.

This isn't a problem, but a quark... where can you click in the mixer to highlight a channel? So far, the only way I can do it is to click near the fader, which causes it jump where you click... very annoying... or click a button. solo, mute, fx, out, whatever. again, very annoying. The workaround is to click the track in the multitrack window. I use dual monitors, with the tracks on one and the mixer and other stuff on the other. From the mixer to the track "header" is quite the distance for a mouse pointer. When you're "grooving".
 
The faders on the mixer are oversensitive. Ive had the same problem with the tempo not being what it said. Other than that Ive done some heavy processing with it, with bussing and RTFX and it was fine. It locked up a couple of times when it searched for new plugs but thats mostly it.
 
Thanks for the feedback. This forum is much more relaxed about open comments than the Syntrillium forum, so this is valuable.

Okay, so, it looks like 2.1 will have most of the bugs worked out. I'd love to get my hands on that realtime processing and bussing facility now though. It sounds like these glitches are not driving you back to 1.2, though. Hmm...
 
dobro said:
Thanks for the feedback. This forum is much more relaxed about open comments than the Syntrillium forum, so this is valuable.

Okay, so, it looks like 2.1 will have most of the bugs worked out. I'd love to get my hands on that realtime processing and bussing facility now though. It sounds like these glitches are not driving you back to 1.2, though. Hmm...

Not driving me back to 1.2, but not endearing me to upgrade once the time limit is up. I still do most of my multi-tracking elsewhere and 1.2 does all of the editing I need. I'll probably wait for the 2.1 or patches or whatever before I suggest 2.1 for the work PC.
 
JuSumPilgrim said:
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Real time effects - it's about time. But with processor-intensive effects, you need to tweak the premixing parameters to prevent breakup. I appreciate the serial/parallel mixing option.


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Thanks for the info, Craig.

I've been out of the loop and didn't even know that 2.0 was out until Monday... I bought it on Tuesday :-)

My question pertains to Craig's comment above. I've very new to 'real-time' FX, so please forgive me if these are stupid questions:

1) I find some lag time with the real-time FX. Not much, but about 1 second worth. Is this normal? I'm running a P-III, 800MHz PC.

2) What is the serial/parallel mixing option all about? What are the pros and cons?

3) I've been having breakup when I add real-time FX. Do I need to lower or raise the background mixing priority? Or do something else?

Thanks!

Jason
 
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