Cracked Software...

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Ok, I know this may be a little redundant, but I'm starting to get really pissed off at all these people with cracks. In a lot of the threads, it seems that some people are trying to justify cracks. I'm a college student, and can't afford a damn thing, but I still use LEGIT software! Who cares if you can't afford Sonar 3 Producer or Nuendo 2? BUY SOMETHING AND USE IT!!! For crying out loud, if I can come up with funds to purchase some software, so can other people. If you can't get it right away, just be freakin' patient. The problem is people always try to buy stuff they may not really be able to afford (hardware stuff), and so they figure they can save money by using cracks. UGH... If you're using cracks, then you certainly are no professional. I ALWAYS show my clients (I record demos and such during the summer) proof of my software, and I always ask to see a studio's proof if i record there. I have no sympathy for anyone that says they use cracks because they have no money. If I REALLY feel that I need something, then it means I may have to eat pork and beans for a couple weeks. Think of all the unnecessary things that people own, but when it comes to something they really need (software) they get it for free. Because I actually got a LEGIT copy of Sonar 3, it meant that I couldn't get the Mackie Control Universal that I wanted. But you see, I don't NEED the Universal. All of you people with cracked software are no better than the hundreds of thousands of people that are put away every year for theft.
 
zing... well said though.

I think i would agree for the most part, i may be a ibt more liberal though. Personally, i don't have a problem with somebody downloading a copy of cubase for evaluation purposes since steinberg does not offer any sort of a demo. 500 bucks is a lot of cake to drop when you havn't even tried the software. That's pretty much the reason why i bought sonar, i could actually try it.

I agree about the high end stuff. In most cases if you can't afford that nuendo or pro tools set up, you prolly won't be able to use it to its full extent anyways. Pick up a copy of traction or pc magic or n track.
 
Somebody recently put it very well in another thread: the crackers don't value what they steal, so they never bother to learn to do anything with it. They like to brag to the other 12-year-olds about what they cracked, but nobody ever asks, "let's hear some awesome music you recorded with it" because there IS none. If there is, it's something they downloaded and passed off as their own. Art doesn't arise from thievery. It's not possible. Someone so lazy that they will steal software doesn't have the balls to compose, record, mix and master, to whatever degree or level of competence. It takes work and dedication, and they don't operate that way.
 
lol. i use cracked versions of the software that i own. anyone that owns any sony (sonic foundry) software will know why.....
 
me too. especially when i used a mac g4 that crashed 4 times a day and needed a rebuild every week. Way easier to use the crack than go through trying to re register all the software and plugins every time the hard drive was reformatted.
 
Very well said lpdeluxe, and I agree with you 100%.

However, as for the posters who were talking about Sony/Sonic Foundry, you guys are absolutely right... the activation code process is utterly ridiculous.
I can't help but wonder what they think when they see the same person re-registering. :confused: It has a big brother feel to it, or maybe I'm just being paranoid. :confused:

But despite all of that, the process is in place for a good reason.
In an ideal world, there wouldn't be any need for cracks, and once you bought your software, you could install the hell out of it. But we all know that it's not ever gonna be that way. Hackers and crackheads have made things like this a part of buying software. It's ironic that they've created the very circumstances that they're trying so hard to work around. And the software manufacturers share a bit of the blame here as well. After all, I'm sure they're blowing the piracy issue out of proportion.

That's just my opinion. :)
 
lpdeluxe..... let's here some music dog? not to be an asshole...but you obviously think that you are more intelligent than someone who simply can't afford a $500 piece of software? lets here the ART! then preach to us some more. and if you are actually speaking the truth....then what are you worried about? you think these 12 year olds that brag to their friends are going to touch you as far as audio production is concerned? you think they are a threat? whats the deal? if they download the program, don't know how to use it, and never 'actually' use it...then that doesn't really affect you, nor does it affect the price of the software...since these little kids would never buy the software anyways. i think you are a little too proud man.

peace
 
foreverain4 said:
lol. i use cracked versions of the software that i own. anyone that owns any sony (sonic foundry) software will know why.....

I use vegas (I started with a cracked version to try it out, loved it and bought it)...but i dont get what you mean...ha!
 
by the way, i'm not stating that your arguement is wrong....it's just the logistics
 
Echelon said:
Ok, I know this may be a little redundant, but I'm starting to get really pissed off at all these people with cracks. In a lot of the threads, it seems that some people are trying to justify cracks.

I made it a point years ago to not let the actions of others get to me, and I've been a much happier person since then. Your argument will probably be that because other people pirate software, it cost's those of us that use legit programs more money, but ask yourself this, if starting today there were no more cracks, could we trust that publicly traded companies would take it upon themselves to lower the price of the product? I doubt it. I worry about me, you worry about you. I sleep well at night knowing that I do the right thing, and can expect no more.
 
Nik6teen said:
lpdeluxe..... let's here some music dog? not to be an asshole...but you obviously think that you are more intelligent than someone who simply can't afford a $500 piece of software? lets here the ART! then preach to us some more. and if you are actually speaking the truth....then what are you worried about? you think these 12 year olds that brag to their friends are going to touch you as far as audio production is concerned? you think they are a threat? whats the deal? if they download the program, don't know how to use it, and never 'actually' use it...then that doesn't really affect you, nor does it affect the price of the software...since these little kids would never buy the software anyways. i think you are a little too proud man.

peace

Yes, I am sure the primary users of cracked software are 12 year olds that otherwise wouldn't have bought it :\

The "threat" is people who would have bought it if they couldn't crack it. THose people are costing the developers money, and they are stealing intellectual property. They cause the rise of software prices.

So if you don't mind more expensive software, go right ahead. Dog.
 
lpdeluxe said:
Somebody recently put it very well in another thread: the crackers don't value what they steal, so they never bother to learn to do anything with it. They like to brag to the other 12-year-olds about what they cracked, but nobody ever asks, "let's hear some awesome music you recorded with it" because there IS none. If there is, it's something they downloaded and passed off as their own. Art doesn't arise from thievery. It's not possible. Someone so lazy that they will steal software doesn't have the balls to compose, record, mix and master, to whatever degree or level of competence. It takes work and dedication, and they don't operate that way.

I would recommend that everyone read this again, and read it carefully. It's very well said and is IMHO the final word on the subject...
 
my only comment on the subject is.....i dont understand why people do this when there are such great low cost full featured alternatives like powertracks that i use or ntrack or traktion or multitrackstudio.com or magix music studio (that i also use)...and the list goes on.
in my opinion (im just picking one) multitrackstudio.com has got to be one of the finest pieces of computer programming of an audio app ive ever come across. i did programming for quite a few years way back when.the author did not clutter the product with too many menues/windows etc, it runs rock solid, has tons of built in fx PLUS supports the dx and vst effects plug ins. imho a very underrated piece of software.
also let me state that musicians imho should support the "poor little guy shareware authors " for several reasons.
1. they spill blood and guts and put in thousands of hours to put the audio software out(ive talked to more than a few - and the level of technical
competence astounds me).
2. it forces higher priced software to be more competitive thus beneffiting us musicians.
this is one crazy world !!
 
much ado about nothing.....

I think the whole argument is WAY over-rated. When i was a kid, it was popular to have a street sign in your bedroom. All the parents overlooked it, it was just part of being a KID. No one got in trouble for it, although you got a lecture from your parents about right and wrong, the usual stuff kids ignore but later makes sense. The only kids that got prosecuted for it were otherwise malcontents who were breaking windows, stealing from cars/houses, and in general making truant nuisances of themselves in every way possible. When the police had had enough of them, on one of their (many...lol) constablulatory visits to the house and the kids room, if they KNEW the kid was doing all kinds oif illegal things, and they werent catching them at it, they would throw the book at them for the obligatory street signs in the bedroom.

Now, we all know SOME people who are way too smug and superior with themselves, and just LOVE to look down their nose at others. "Hm. I never would stoop to stealing anything. I am WAY better than that." Fundamentally, this is a problem with the persons personality way worse then the person who will tell a little white lie to spare someones feelings (thats LYING, and its WRONG) or will download some warez or free mp3's to try them out or whatever.

There were always kids who were way too religious, or superior-feeling (got it from one or both parents...its genetic...lmao) to function in life in a way evem remotely resembling normal. Some of these kids took to coming over to "visit" kids, then calling the police on them. Once we got the hang of simple formal logic and arranged tests (hmmm...Frankie never visited my house before , and the next day i get a visit from the police...hmmm...john noticed the same thing...hmmmm) allowed us to DO something about it. Ill bet those ninny tattletales never knew why some of the older kids just all of a sudden didnt like them, and started to pick on them, and why they suddenly had no COOL friends...lol. When i was in the service, there was always the possibility of a blanket party, and if you do this in a bar or repeat what you saw at a party to the wrong person, you can get your ass beat.

So when you go to a studio to record, you reccomend grilling the tech and demanding to see proof of ownership of each and every plug in he owns and may or may not use on your tracks? Way to fire asshole, thats a great way to have the guy on your side making you sound as good as he can. Even if he doesnt have anything he didnt register, i bet he sure feels like youre a ninny.

If you got the money to throw around, buy the stuff and brag. If you dont have the money, either save up and have very little, or get every piece of warez in the world and put up with the nightmare of instability and the registry spiderweb that constant installation/reinstallation leads to. If you dont know WHAT you want or need, download a little of everything in warez, decide what you need, then buy it with an informed decision.

but for gods sake, some people i think play with themselves reading the bible and the ten commandments.

The TRUTH:

when youre woman asks you if "this dress makes my ass look fat", lie. Trust me, just lie, and do it convincingly. You MIGHT go to hell for having iled so many time so well, but its easier, trust me.

never, ever tell anyone, man or woman, that the spouse/sig other is cheating on them, nor with who. Even if they ask. One way or the other, SOMEbody is going to kick your ass.

its none of your business what anyone has on their computer.

nobody is being put out of business. Lars Ulrich has so much money, he cant even tell you how much he has. Then he complains youre "taking food out of his kids mouth". What a crock. I've not noticed any high quality multitrack software/hi end plug in companies going out of business lately. They all seem to be putting out newer versions periodically, and I bet if we went and looked at the lifestyle of the Steinberg CEO, he has a yachy bigger than my house, which is crappy but real big.

I agree that 99.9% of all warez users will never make a single track, much less song or album that is "noteworthy" (pun intended). But if there is a kid with alcoholic parents somewhere who gets a lot of stuff, and really learns a lot and grows up to be a real, serious audio engineer, composer, songwriter, or musician, then the world is a better place.

Warez are really just free advertising when you get down to it, a kind of unregulated demo. Read your bible and play with yourself, or better yet, tell youre wife she really does look fat in that dress, then follow that up with telling the really huge, muscular, scary guy at the bar how you know his wife cheats on him with. Keep telling him until he believes you, so both him and the guy shes cheating with smacks some semblance of reality into you.
 
So you are equating stealing with being a nice guy?
 
SEDstar said:
I think the whole argument is WAY over-rated. When i was a kid, it was popular to have a street sign in your bedroom. All the parents overlooked it, it was just part of being a KID. No one got in trouble for it, although you got a lecture from your parents about right and wrong, the usual stuff kids ignore but later makes sense. The only kids that got prosecuted for it were otherwise malcontents who were breaking windows, stealing from cars/houses, and in general making truant nuisances of themselves in every way possible. When the police had had enough of them, on one of their (many...lol) constablulatory visits to the house and the kids room, if they KNEW the kid was doing all kinds oif illegal things, and they werent catching them at it, they would throw the book at them for the obligatory street signs in the bedroom.

Now, we all know SOME people who are way too smug and superior with themselves, and just LOVE to look down their nose at others. "Hm. I never would stoop to stealing anything. I am WAY better than that." Fundamentally, this is a problem with the persons personality way worse then the person who will tell a little white lie to spare someones feelings (thats LYING, and its WRONG) or will download some warez or free mp3's to try them out or whatever.

There were always kids who were way too religious, or superior-feeling (got it from one or both parents...its genetic...lmao) to function in life in a way evem remotely resembling normal. Some of these kids took to coming over to "visit" kids, then calling the police on them. Once we got the hang of simple formal logic and arranged tests (hmmm...Frankie never visited my house before , and the next day i get a visit from the police...hmmm...john noticed the same thing...hmmmm) allowed us to DO something about it. Ill bet those ninny tattletales never knew why some of the older kids just all of a sudden didnt like them, and started to pick on them, and why they suddenly had no COOL friends...lol. When i was in the service, there was always the possibility of a blanket party, and if you do this in a bar or repeat what you saw at a party to the wrong person, you can get your ass beat.

So when you go to a studio to record, you reccomend grilling the tech and demanding to see proof of ownership of each and every plug in he owns and may or may not use on your tracks? Way to fire asshole, thats a great way to have the guy on your side making you sound as good as he can. Even if he doesnt have anything he didnt register, i bet he sure feels like youre a ninny.

If you got the money to throw around, buy the stuff and brag. If you dont have the money, either save up and have very little, or get every piece of warez in the world and put up with the nightmare of instability and the registry spiderweb that constant installation/reinstallation leads to. If you dont know WHAT you want or need, download a little of everything in warez, decide what you need, then buy it with an informed decision.

but for gods sake, some people i think play with themselves reading the bible and the ten commandments.

The TRUTH:

when youre woman asks you if "this dress makes my ass look fat", lie. Trust me, just lie, and do it convincingly. You MIGHT go to hell for having iled so many time so well, but its easier, trust me.

never, ever tell anyone, man or woman, that the spouse/sig other is cheating on them, nor with who. Even if they ask. One way or the other, SOMEbody is going to kick your ass.

its none of your business what anyone has on their computer.

nobody is being put out of business. Lars Ulrich has so much money, he cant even tell you how much he has. Then he complains youre "taking food out of his kids mouth". What a crock. I've not noticed any high quality multitrack software/hi end plug in companies going out of business lately. They all seem to be putting out newer versions periodically, and I bet if we went and looked at the lifestyle of the Steinberg CEO, he has a yachy bigger than my house, which is crappy but real big.

I agree that 99.9% of all warez users will never make a single track, much less song or album that is "noteworthy" (pun intended). But if there is a kid with alcoholic parents somewhere who gets a lot of stuff, and really learns a lot and grows up to be a real, serious audio engineer, composer, songwriter, or musician, then the world is a better place.

Warez are really just free advertising when you get down to it, a kind of unregulated demo. Read your bible and play with yourself, or better yet, tell youre wife she really does look fat in that dress, then follow that up with telling the really huge, muscular, scary guy at the bar how you know his wife cheats on him with. Keep telling him until he believes you, so both him and the guy shes cheating with smacks some semblance of reality into you.

ZZZnore........zz..z.z.zzzz....zzz...z.z.fart................snorezzzzz....
 
lpdeluxe said:
So you are equating stealing with being a nice guy?
I suppose one way around the whole issue is to develop completely new value system - one that glorifies stealing AND let's you feeel that you're doing "the right thing."

Seems to have worked for SEDStar.................. :rolleyes:
 
Well, the issue as he has presented it is that you are a cool dude until you get caught, at which point you become a criminal. I'll have to give that one some thought.
 
Sedstar and others have made the same silly argument in other threads. It's really getting old.

Besides the fact that we all know it is wrong, how do you feel about these facts:

In the US alone in 2001, software piracy accounted for $1.8 billion in lost revenues, 111,000 in lost jobs, $5.6 billion in lost wages, and $1.5 billion in lost tax revenues.

Studies show that if in four years, the software piracy rate drops by 10 point, the economic growth could raise by $400 billion, creating 1.5 million jobs and generating $64 billion in taxes

So not only is it wrong, but software piracy is contributing to the world's unemployment. That should make software pirates feel good about themselves.

Does anyone else see the day that Law enforcement takes a greater interest in what you are doing on your PC ?

I can provide links to these statements if you like.
 
vestast said:
Sedstar and others have made the same silly argument in other threads. It's really getting old.

Besides the fact that we all know it is wrong, how do you feel about these facts:

In the US alone in 2001, software piracy accounted for $1.8 billion in lost revenues, 111,000 in lost jobs, $5.6 billion in lost wages, and $1.5 billion in lost tax revenues.

Studies show that if in four years, the software piracy rate drops by 10 point, the economic growth could raise by $400 billion, creating 1.5 million jobs and generating $64 billion in taxes

So not only is it wrong, but software piracy is contributing to the world's unemployment. That should make software pirates feel good about themselves.

Does anyone else see the day that Law enforcement takes a greater interest in what you are doing on your PC ?

I can provide links to these statements if you like.

although i may agree, some of these arguments seem kinda rediculous. haha.
first off, who gets stats and facts like these, and how right can they really be?
beyond that, if they really are very accurate figures, etc. - I bet that most of the people who pirated any software would NOT have gone out and bought it. So, those "lost jobs" and "lost money" really would STILL be lost. All that seems to be happening is that people use the software without paying. Not that they would ever pay if the software was not available illegally...you feel me?
 
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