Reggaesoldier
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I'd have to agree. Suck it up and buy a new one.Supercreep said:
PhilGood
Juice box hero
Tim Brown said:
I play with my cymbals level to the top of my head and haven't broken a cymbal in 12 years. I've been playing for 24. I use Paiste and I hit hard. The last cymbal I broke was a Sabian.
Tim Brown
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PhilGood said:
So, you're right in the range I'm suggesting. I see a lot of young guys today who have to completely extend their arms to hit the cymbals - because the cymbals are like 2 feet above their heads, and they are whacking at them like they have a hammer, and the cymbal will be clamped down so hard that it can't even move. I don't know who it is that started this "style" of playing, but they need to get a good buttstomping over it.
Some guys, like Anton Fig have always [played with their cymbals in the clouds, but it's crazy because you'll wind yup hitting twice as hard as you need to for the same volume level...after a certain point, the cymbal or drum doesn't get any louder - and when you reach that point anything after is wasted motion and energy.
Tim
PhilGood
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Tim Brown said:
We call that the overhand tennis smash!!
yeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr BOOM!!!
msmales555
Member
i disagree
Additionally, I haven't cracked a cymbal in quite a while. I previously used 5Bs, but I moved down to a size 5A stick and it has made all the difference. In my previous post I mentioned that I've down this to about a dozen cymbals - I didn't specify that I wasn't the one that cracked most of those. I usually try to buy cymbals with small cracks from people on ebay and then repair them.
-so true.
I disagree. The cymbal that I pictured above, a few posts back, sounds great and I've been unable to tell a difference between the sanded, repaired version and the original version. Of course over the years it has dried out a little bit, but my repair job didn't change the sound of the cymbal in any noticeable way. Now of course, the crack was small and I repaired it immediately after discovering it, so I would agree with you that you really can't salvage a cymbal with a significantly sized crack in it (i personally feel that cracks larger than a 1/4" are unrepairable using the sanding method). However, if you take a moment to examine your cymabls every now and then and immediately attend to any cracks that are starting, cymbals are certainly repairable. If you want to go out an pay $250 for a new crash, that's fine with me, but don't tell others that there is no hope when I have indeed fixed my own.Reggaesoldier said:
Additionally, I haven't cracked a cymbal in quite a while. I previously used 5Bs, but I moved down to a size 5A stick and it has made all the difference. In my previous post I mentioned that I've down this to about a dozen cymbals - I didn't specify that I wasn't the one that cracked most of those. I usually try to buy cymbals with small cracks from people on ebay and then repair them.
Tim Brown said:
-so true.
Supercreep
Lizard People
msmales555 said:
When I am playing and crack a cymbal, I can tell by the sound instantly, even for a 1/8" crack on the edge. You can say it dosen't matter, but the fundamental integrity of the cymbal is lost. It will never vibrate in the same way again. That's not to say it won't work for you, or that you can't find a use for the sound. But to say that you can repair a cymbal to a degree that the sound is indistinguishable from the same cymbal uncomprimised by a crack is wishful thinking.
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tilinmyowngrave
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PhilGood said:
Well hey, I didnt crack anything. One was crackedby the asshole, and 2 others came that way (one was $50, and one was free with my ride)... But for 3 months, I played em, and the cracks didn't grow, didn
t rattle, didn't affect the sound at all, sounds the same as the ones in the store... but its that one crash that the asshole cracked that bothers me... remember, dont ever let ppl borrow Paiste signatures. o wel... im not gonna try to fix it, cuz if ti does crack, it will give me an excuse to beg my mom for a better crash (18" Power crash).
PhilGood
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I guess we've learned: Your cymbals are your babies! Never loan them out!
Only you can prevent cymbal damage...
Only you can prevent cymbal damage...
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tilinmyowngrave
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PhilGood said:
Yes I have. They are mine... AND NO ONE WILL TOUCH MY PAISTES!!!... well, except for the bassist, but thats cuz he is the one that tunes my drums, fixes my stands, polishes my cymbals, etc, etc, etc... life is so much easier when you can make other people do stuff
Reggaesoldier
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msmales555 said:
LoL.... Have fun playin' with broken shit then.
PhilGood
Juice box hero
tilinmyowngrave said:except for the bassist, but thats cuz he is the one that tunes my drums, fixes my stands, polishes my cymbals, etc, etc, etc... life is so much easier when you can make other people do stuff
That's the definition of a roadie! Congrats!!
Tim Brown
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PhilGood said:
I totally agree.
The reason I switched to Paiste was I had a set of Zildjians that were handmatched at the factory; I lent them out and the guy I lent them to broke two of them. I went to about 5 different stores looking for an 18" crash that sounded like the one that was broken and never found one.
At the time, Venemann's Music Emporium was having a sale on the Paiste 3000 line, and I ordered an 18" 3000 series Power Crash - it sounded EXACTLY like the Zildjian that was broken, and at that point I made the switch to Paiste. Then I lucked out and got about a dozen Paiste 2002's from an endorser, kept the ones I wanted, and sold the ones I didn't and wound up "getting paid" to take them off of his hands because I actually made money on the ones I sold.
Then I started converting to the Signature line, first buying a few Signature Sound Formula models (which I prefer) but then Paiste quit making those because they just didn't sell as well. People didn't equate them with the Signature line even though they are made from the Signature alloy.
Tim
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Tim Brown
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tilinmyowngrave said:Yes I have. They are mine... AND NO ONE WILL TOUCH MY PAISTES!!!... well, except for the bassist, but thats cuz he is the one that tunes my drums, fixes my stands, polishes my cymbals, etc, etc, etc... life is so much easier when you can make other people do stuff
Your bassist tunes your drums?!?!
Most bassists I've known can't even tune their bass!
That is, except for my last Bassist - and he and I played together off and on for 15 years....of course, as a child he was a trained Percussionist.
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tilinmyowngrave
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Tim Brown said:Your bassist tunes your drums?!?!
Most bassists I've known can't even tune their bass!
That is, except for my last Bassist - and he and I played together off and on for 15 years....of course, as a child he was a trained Percussionist.
I KNOW IM SURPRISED TOO!!! seriously though, he is the worst drummer EVER, but he is good at fixing stuff. He can pinpoint the exact pitch I want. He was the one who put my drum set together in the first place... even though he never played on one, he put it in the exact way it was supposed to be, no mess ups. I often play best when I'm around him... in addition to being a good bassist, hes also my best friend, and the person who convinced me to play drums in the first place.