Convert new computer to win98se?

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I have a gadget labs 8 in 8 out card that
I have used for about 3 years with a celleron 600 chip and it has
worked wonderfully.
I use cool edit pro and have just upgraded my software to the new version 2.0 with real time effects.
I want to get a faster computer so I can make better use of the
real time effects but this card will not work in windows xp.
Can I get a new computer and convert it to win 98se or
am I going to have to break down and get a new card like
maudio with a new computer also.
Hope this all makes sense

Thanks
 
You could install 98se by simply wiping the disk and starting from scratch. However, I'd say it's about time to get out of that gadgetlabs card and into something by m-Audio.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Herm - I have the exact same Gadget Labs card you do (the Wave 824). So my main recording computer is also stuck at Win98SE, with Cakewalk 9. Of course I have 4-5 machines at home so this is no big deal.

Most new computers, and virtually all roll-your-own PC (something you build yourself) will work fine with Win98SE. I just recently had to "down grade" a new Dell P4 PC for someone in our accounting department, because of some ancient DOS accounting app they just HAD to be able to run. Took it from Windows XP and installed Win98SE. Seemed like such a waste...

You might also consider making the system dual-boot, so you can do recording under 98 and run everything else under XP.

Or as Slack suggested you might want to unload the GL on E-Bay and buy something newer.

There is a Yahoo support group for Gadget Lab owners you might want to check out. Supposedly one of the guys there is writing his own Gadget Labs WDM driver for XP, but I would'nt hold my breath. You can find it at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gadgetlabs/

and check out this site:

http://www.glug.homestead.com/
 
Well it just seems like a shame to get rid of a good card if you dont have to.
My system is for recording only so I dont care if I have xp or not.
Now if i get a new computer for recording I suppose I will have
to buy win98se somewhere if I can find it.
Thanks for the help
 
I really really think you should go with windows 200 and yes hold a 'dual boot' or "profile" system to see if it all works.
Xp i hear is good stuff but, again not all stuff works - specially for us packrats. As a basic hacker builder i hav had little blue screens with 2000 over all the microsoft issues. for now , i think its the best stable system for taxing cpu.- i get off my soap box
 
Herm said:
Well it just seems like a shame to get rid of a good card if you dont have to.
My system is for recording only so I dont care if I have xp or not.
Now if i get a new computer for recording I suppose I will have
to buy win98se somewhere if I can find it.
Thanks for the help
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Win 98 SE is still available. And you can probably find a good deal on it on Ebay. Otherwise, it will run ya between 90 and 100 Bux.

Merry Christmas!

CR ><>
 
Axe4Yahweh said:
Win 98 SE is still available. And you can probably find a good deal on it on Ebay. Otherwise, it will run ya between 90 and 100 Bux.

Merry Christmas!

CR ><>
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Available, but no longer supported by Microsoft - especially on their Windows Update site.

Hardly worth the hassle - just use 2000 or XP.
 
Actually, Windows 98SE IS still supported by Microsoft, via Windows Update. I just used it for Win98 a few days ago.

On Dec 31 Microsoft officially ends all support for DOS, Windows 3.1, and Windows 95. Support for Windows 98 will end later in 2003
 
Listen, if hardware works better with windows 98 use it. Windows does still offer updates and fixes and a DAW system with win98 se can be very stable. The less additional software (especially games, videophone and cheap photoware) you install the more stable it will likely be. Use it as a dedicated DAW and forget about the most current thing for an older system. Just give it enough RAM (up to 512) and a fast audio harddrive. I wouldn't upgrade the mobo maybe just max out the processor (check MOBO website/manual for max clock speeds).

I have Changed two Win XP machines (both Dells) to win 98 se for older hardware compatibility so it should work fine.
 
Re using 98.............I have been hearing continual rumours that where RAM is concerned, Win 98 will fully utilise up to 256k, but anything over that is only partially utilised......mainly just the cache memory.

I have just finished "building" a new PC to be used solely for editing,tweaking and burning my final stereo mix to CD and while I own Win98, a friend has offered to install XP Pro.

Any comments, opinions or advice on the above are welcome.

:cool:
 
I still have a 98se box running at home - there's nothing wrong with keeping it around for use with your card, but you'll want to consider software ...all your buddies will be using the latest software packages and you'll be stuck behind CE2. There are already a lot of packages out there that won't work with 98se, and you'll have less and less available as time passes.

If you're happy with your setup and don't ever plan to upgrade, then go for it. But if you're like most of us, you'll probably want to be able to upgrade when the time comes. If you go with 98se now, you'll be stuck with upgrading a card, OS, and software all at the same time later.
 
Well here is part of the problem I have now.
Today I got my disc from cool edit pro and installed it.
But I didnt know before I ordered it that they recommend at least a 700 processor to use it. My computer is a 600 so i tried a
session I already had recorded in ce 1.2 and everything works fine till i want to do some real time effects, It just about doesnt
run with one reverb effect going in real time.
And that is the reason I just spent the 280.00 on the program to
upgrade to real time effects. So now it is starting to look like a new computer with windows 98 so i can use this audio card or a new computer with a new sound card like the m audio or st audio
card.

I not to crazy about starting all over again with a new setup
This one has worked so well for 3 years now but Im tired of going
to the editor and apply a reverb and then find out it just doesnt make it.

I guess its true that one thing leads to another is always the case.

When I sit here and look at my old 16 track reel to reel sitting in the corner collecting dust it makes me wonder.
 
just a thought...

if your computer is modern enough to support a 600 mhz chip, I would think that you could upgrade at least to a 1Ghz or so.

check your motherboard specs - how high can you go? Yes, there are other issues involved (bus speed being one), but if the major hangup is a 600 processor vs. 700, check your specs and then check here: www.pricewatch.com.

you should be able to find a 700-800 processor for ... well, I just looked at the page and found 950 speed AMD T-birds going for $39. also check the motherboard/processor combos - it's cheaper than buying a whole new system.

and I agree with a previous poster - if you want a DAW, build a DAW... don't build a DAW that also does word processing and surfs the internet and runs Quicken and Quake. Strip out everything NOT related to audio and run a lean machine. You wouldn't expect that reel-to-reel to balance your checkbook, would you?

check out 98lite if you can find it - it's a piece of software that lets you strip out extraneous, unnecessary software from Windows 98.

good luck.

- housepig
 
a couple of opinions and a couple of tangents:

i love 98se-it's what i run on my home machine, and i use it for audio, internet-related stuff, and old games. it almost never crashes, and when it does, it's probably related to crappy hardware (my cd-rom is really a piece). if your hardware is supported by it, i would have no qualms about running it. i'd sure as hell take it before millennium-2000 isn't always well-supported, and i've heard so much mixed information about XP that i'm probably going to wait until i can build a new system to try it. i wouldn't touch ME on any of my home machines-it's the lousiest OS i think i've ever seen (NT 4 runs a close second, IMO).

i think that 98lite is a great idea-on an OLD system-i got good results with it on a p120 with 16 megs of ram running on scrap parts. i would NOT run 98 lite on anything with at least a p166MMX and 32 megs of ram-98se runs like a top on anything this speed and above, though if you want to do audio work, i hope you have more ram than that (it took me quite awhile to render a sequenced track to wav, and longer to make it an mp3 on that 120).

that's about all the input i have. with the hardware you're talking about, you run pretty much whatever you want.
 
Another possible option...

1) Keep the old box and do your tracking with it
2) Get the new system with a less expensive 2-input card and do your mixing and processing with it.

It's not exactly the most practical solution, but it'd work.

If you do end up chucking the Gadget Labs card, the Delta 1010 or the C-Port (I swear by my C-Port, and you can get them pretty cheap nowadays).
 
Here is an article regarding the Microsoft EOL (End Of Life) for Win 95 -

http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021211S0008

Seanmorse - your suggestion is exactly what I tried. I left my tracking PC w/ Gadget labs card & Cakewalk 9 intact with Win 98SE. Then I bought an Audiophile 2496 and new monitors for my main "all purpose" PC running Win XP. the plan was to do "mastering" on that PC.

Unfortunately I discovered that the XP drivers for the Audiophile only support 24 bit operation if using them in a WDM compatible application. After some hassle gettin gthem installed, they now work fine in Sonar. But in Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (which knows nothing about WDM drivers, and is not XP certified anyways) will not see the Audiophile as a 24 bit card. It only will work using it as a 16 bit card - it records and plays back 16 bit files only. So until I complete my migration from Pro Audio 9 to Sonar 2 (after my current project) I'm screwed. Once I do that, I wil indeed have seperate "tracking" and "mixing/mastering" boxes.
 
That would've definitely pissed me off. I can't believe the Audiophile only supports 24 bit via WDM. I'm going to drive my C-Port/Nuendo combo into the ground before I do anymore upgrades :) Can't Sonar open up Cakewalk bundle files? I thought you could just open up a PA9 bundle file in Sonar and have everything intact (except for plugins).
 
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