Confounded Tape Button

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Hello,

I only have experience with little mixers, but I was recently given a Yamaha 02R.
I have 24 channels/faders. Each channel has an 'ON', 'SEL', and 'Tape' button. I understand the 1st two, but what does that confounded 'Tape' button do? Is there routing I don't understand?
Thanks,
-jaimie
 
Thanks for the tip, but google searching led me here for human interaction. I was hoping for advice from someone with actual experience. Does no one else know?
 
Mmmmm...it's been a long time since I touched an 02R, so I can't recall what the strips even look like, nevermind how they implemented things....
...but on most consoles, the TAPE button relates to the inputs on the mixer that receive the outputs from a tape machine....and it would allow you to flip those inputs so they become the source for that channel strip rather than mic/line.
If there's nothing hooked up to the Tape connection on the back of the mixer...you'll hear nothing when you press that button.
 
My guess was along those lines, that it allows me to capture tape. However, I don't see any tape inputs. There's one analog TR2 Input (one total, not one per channel) but I can't assume that's it. I would think each input would have a tape input, but that's not the case. Should I be able to route the TR2 to a fader?
 
FLIP Button
Although the rotary encoders are reasonably accurate, there will be times,
for example during a mixdown, when you want the increased accuracy
and feel of a fader to adjust the tape return levels.
The faders for input channels 1 through 16 are multi-function controls.
When you press the [FLIP] button, the faders switch to adjusting the tape
returns. The Tape Return icons change to reverse video to indicate the input
channels have moved up to the TAPE controls, and the LED in the [FLIP]
button is illuminated.
Click to expand...

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/pa/english/mixers/02R1E.pdf
 
I really appreciate the thoughts folks, and I know I posted to the Newbie forum, but please assume I thought of Google and the manual. I've read the manual several times. This is what the manual tells me:
28. Tape and Effect return controls
These continuously rotary controls set the level of the tape and
effect returns. The current level of a return channel is shown by the
corresponding icon on the bottom of the display screen.
I am still hoping that someone with experience can help me utilize this function. I don't really know what that paragraph is telling me.
 
If you FLIP you can have whatever is currently available at the rotary controls....moved to the faders.
In the quote from the manual I provided....it's saying that normally during mixdowns, the TAPE returns are routed to the main faders so you can have more ease of mixing.
I think with the O2R....Input B is what may be is viewed as that tape returns....?

Feed some signal to all the inputs on one channel....then play with the buttons and FLIP switch and see what happens. :)
 
Flip does swap knobs for faders, but doesn't really tell me what the tape does. I've plugged all the holes and I see no function for the Tape button.
No, Input B is not for Tape, it's just the 1/4" input. It's usage is controlled by the A/B button.
I assumed that the Tape function was pretty standard on pro-quality boards. Am I mistaken?
 
You have option card slots on the back.....if you don't see any Tape returns....you probbaly don't have those cards.

See Page 171 of the manual................
An analog card is also available to allow you to connect to an analog multitrack recorder.
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I don't have any cards. That is best answer I've heard so far, I think I'm going to run with it. Thanks! So essentially the Tape function is useless without expansion cards?
 
Miroslav, at the risk to thread-jacking my own thread, can I toss another question at you?
How would you take full advantage of this board without a card? How do I record 24 channels? I only have 6 aux sends available. It appears the previous owner never touched the card slots. This board has no USB, Firewire, or any other direct computer connection. I built some Insert Tap Cables last night so I can grab direct outs from the inserts, but that has its limitations. I'm not sure how the previous owner used it, and I'm not sure of the best way to get signals to my recorder.
I'd love to hear your thoughts (or anyone else if they've been in this situation before).
Thanks!
-jaimie
 
I hate to do this:

Inputs and Outputs – I/O Cards and Digital Cascade
With the YAMAHA Digital Recording Console 02R you can record and mix
directly to your modular digital multitrack recorder without ever leaving
the sonic purity of the digital domain. It is a 40 input channel mixer, each
with full dynamic processing and 4-band parametric EQ, plus two stereo
internal effects returns. It comes with 24 analog inputs, featuring 20-bit
64-times oversampling analog-to-digital conversion. By adding one of the
optional digital I/O cards, you can also have 8 channels of direct digital
input. Depending on configuration, up to four cards can be inserted into
the 02R. The cards allow you to select from any of the currently used
formats (ADAT®, TDIF™, YAMAHA, or AES/EBU). The optional cards
allow you to route up to 16 outputs directly to your modular digital
multitrack recorder. In addition, you can insert a Digital Cascade card into
one of the I/O slots, allowing you to connect multiple 02Rs together to
create a larger digital mixing system.
Click to expand...


This basically sums up what the 02R can do for you.....BUT....it also depends on which cards you have and what you are recording to.
As you can see...with the right cards, your options change. I don't thnk you can do 24 tracks of digital, but it can do 16...but you need the cards.

Read toward the back of the manual....they cover the options in more detail.
 
Groovy, thanks! I've googled the cards a few times, sufficed to say this is the line that goes over my head. From the sounds of it, for me to get 8-16 outs I'd have spend far more than we have.
I think I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around a recording product that gives you so many inputs, but makes you spends hundreds to thousands of dollars to take advantage of them.
 
Well....from a digital console perspective.....you already have the ability to do a lot of channels.
To add a lot more analog inputs....it's the equivalent of adding more A/D convertors....and that costs.


If you had an all-analog console.....you would still need an A/D converter channel for every analog channel you wanted to use simultaneously. If you go look at something like a 16 channel converter.....it's a few thousand dollars.
 
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