Confirmed...never envy a HS2002 user.

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Pedullist

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Hi,

I was wondering: can we expect any updates on Homestudio2002 in the near future? I've seen some updates for SONAR that include features that might be useful for HS users also (like ASIO support, as most nonprofessional musicians use Creative soundcards)

Maybe it's me, but I get the feeling only the professional software, like SONAR, gets updates.

Thanks, Tjarko.

Answer:

Tjarko,
Currently there are no plans for a Home Studio patch. Also, ASIO
support will only be in SONAR.

Beh, I feel discriminated...
 
But remember, they say they've implemented the ASIO in Sonar to support the Digidesign-hardware. I can see their (sort of) twisted logic if I try... ;)
 
Pedullist said:
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Problem description or question:


Hi,

I was wondering: can we expect any updates on Homestudio2002 in the near future? I've seen some updates for SONAR that include features that might be useful for HS users also (like ASIO support, as most nonprofessional musicians use Creative soundcards)

Maybe it's me, but I get the feeling only the professional software, like SONAR, gets updates.

Thanks, Tjarko.

Answer:

Tjarko,
Currently there are no plans for a Home Studio patch. Also, ASIO
support will only be in SONAR.

Beh, I feel discriminated...
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Well, at least we get a discount if we choose to upgrade to Sonar...:D
 
Update On The Update...

So Pedullist, is it ASIO drivers you're wanting? I thought this was introduced primarily for Steinberg product users.

The WDM drivers give very healthy latency with my Terratec EWX24/96 - I think it's down to 3ms (I read that somewhere on a link from HoRec).

To be perfectly frank (that's a joke - it's my first name :) ) I haven't done any recording with HS2002 yet - too many tasks at home keep me away from the 'puter on the weekends so I'm unable to comment on the latency issue. :(

I do agree with you though that we HS2002 users are definitely made to feel like the poor relations of those arrogant, filty-rich, bourgeois SONAR users.

Come the revolution, we'll ALL have ASIO drivers!!! :D

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BluesMeister
 
Well, it's not the ASIO update only....I sincerely think we'll NEVER see any update for HS2002. What do they do with the bug I've reported and the bugs I still have to report?
 
Bugs Still Bug Me...

Pedullist,

Which bugs have you stumbled across in HS2002?

I think the Tempo button may be one that I've found :(
Of course, it may be related to my hardware rather than a specific problem with the source code. Who knows, CakeWalk didn't bother to respond to me...

When I hit the Tempo button, the tempo and the pitch both change.

Reverting to the original Tempo slows it back down - but the pitch remains raised...

Most baffling, Dr Watson! The only recourse is to Exit HS2002 and start again...

I also noticed that when Looping, the first couple of notes at the start of the loop are raised in Pitch and Tempo but settle back to normal after half a bar.

Is anyone else having these probs with HS2002?

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BluesMeister
 
This bug (click the link) doesn't seem to appear in SONAR. So it's probably not a FXPad bug, Cakewalk support first suggested to reinstall it, I did that of course, and responded afterwards that it still didn't work. It's been weeks, and still no answer.

Also, there seems to be a problem with plugins with lookahead functionality (like WaveArts Trackplug, their customer support is amazing btw). Problem: dropouts as long as the length of the lookahead time, appearing at precisely the latency buffers multiplied to the effective latency (so 2 buffers X 100ms with a lookahead time of 2ms results in a 2ms dropout appearing at 200ms). I've mailed with Bill from WaveArts and he confirmed it's a HS2002 problem and it doesn't appear in SONAR. Again, I've mailed Cakewalk support....still no answer.

There's another one, but I'm not sure whether it's a HS2002 problem so I have to test that first...
 
Warning

After installing the SONAR demo and running a few tests, I found out that the Waveprofiler in HS2002 is screwed up.

In HS2002, after running the profiler, the DMA buffer settings are:

[SB Audigy Audio FFE0 (1 in, 3 out)]
WDM.0=256 512 512 512
WDM.1=256 512 512 512
WDM.2=441 512 512 512
WDM.3=480 512 512 512
WDM.4=512 512 512 512
WidePacking=0
Audio hardware has been successfully profiled.

In SONAR the DMA buffer settings are:

[Creative Audigy Audio Processor (WDM) (1 in, 3 out)]
WDM.0=256 550 960 960
WDM.1=256 660 960 960
WDM.2=441 882 960 960
WDM.3=480 960 960 960
WDM.4=960 960 960 960
WidePacking=0
Audio hardware has been successfully profiled.

Aside from the name, the buffers are completely different.

Now that I've changed the HS2002 settings to the ones that have been profiled by the SONAR profiler, my latencyproblems when using the WDM drivers have been........drumroll.........SOLVED!

:D
 
Hey hey! That's good news! Now you know next time you get a Cakewalk program... GET SONAR! :D
 
I've tested SONAR, the only plus I've found is that the amount of DX plugins you can add is unlimited.

And I don't think that's worth $199,-

HS2002 is pretty complete, btw...have you ever tried it? It's so much easier without all these professional features...LOL :D
 
:confused::confused::confused:


Man, you guys are being a little too critical.

HS2002 is only $60-70!!! What do you expect compared to is $299 bigger brother.

You get what you pay for and I for one am happy with it.
 
I'm an amateur in the body of a professional.... :)

They release a product that doesn't work the way it should be, why can't I be critical? If you buy a car for $ 300,- you still want the lights to work, right?
 
Don't get me wrong, now I am happy with it too. It's much cheaper than SONAR, and it's got everything I need (I never missed anything, and to be frank: I have trouble finding anything in the SONAR demo that justifies the extra amount of dollars).

It was only the latency issues and dropouts that bothered me...now that it's solved, I'm a pretty happy puppy :D
 
I was really down on Cakewalk since the ProAudio ver 4.xxxx or so days. Never could get it to work in a stable way. As I got into a situation that I wanted to find a software that I could do multitracking with, Cakewalk and Sonar didn't get much consideration because of past experience. I respected Cake for midi and used Cakewalk Express Gold extensively for it but was looking to other sources for audio sequencing.

About a year ago wandering around Staples I seen the Music Creator 2002 package for 29.95. It looked like the Sonar demo I had looked at briefly but never spent much time with. I can't usually get the feel for a product if I can't save something in it. Don't like to spend time on stuff I'm gonna throw away. So for the few bucks and the ability to save I figured what the heck.

Basically it was a somewhat watered down version, but not enough to not beable to appreciate it's power. First off, the audio engine was nothing like the bad experience I had years earlier. I basically had the midi capabilities of Express Gold, I could do 8 real-time effects and a half dozen real-time midi effects, and on my system the whole thing was tight and really really stable. I'm just a simple country/folkisk songwriter and for a mere 30 bucks I was pleased beyond no end.

I upgraded to HomeStudio Xl, bought the Cake FX2 and FX3 and the experience was only more satisfying.

HS did have a few quirks but nothing drastic. The most common for me was when I copied and pasted midi events in another part of a track and then tried to draw in the controller pane a whole bunch of unrelated note from hell would appear in this pasted section. I'd just undo it save it and shut down and restart and it didn't do it no more. This is something that might have happened 1 in 25 times I copied and pasted like this. I generally don't build midi tracks in a cut and paste manner so for me it was no big deal.
For a simple songwriter I still felt I had one heck of a system for minimum bucks.

Last week I got my Sonar 2.2 (not XL) upgrade. As much as I liked HS.... there's a night and day difference. Not so much in capablilties which are drastic in themselves but in performance and how Sonar reacts to the tweaking I've done on audio parameters. This thing is purring on my system.

Matter of fact, yesterday after almost two years of loading and trying every musical software under the sun, I wiped my OS drive clean, reinstalled the OS and reinstalled only the software and plugs I've come to regard my bread and butter stuff and I'm humming.
 
Yeah, I'm still thinking about switching to SONAR. But on the other hand I could better use the money to replace my Audigy for a Delta66. Does that one come with a frontpanel, James?

I couldn't miss my front panel. I need one mono input, and one stereo (or two mono) and a seperate headphone jack. That's all.
 
Am I reading the Cakewalk web page right? HS 2002 doesn't support CAL? Is that true? I'm reading the camparison chart between HS 2002 and Sonar. What is professional MIDI editing? Sonar has it, but HS 2002 does not. I think I can edit MIDI about the same in Cakewalk Pro 3.0 as I can in Sonar. I'm inclined to stick the demo in here and see what this is all about! Damn you guys !!!!

ed
 
guitar ed said:
What is professional MIDI editing? Sonar has it, but HS 2002 does not. ed
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The only difference that I've found is that HS2002 lacks Groove Quantizing. Otherwise they have the same MIDI editing capabilities.
 
Pedullist said:
Yeah, I'm still thinking about switching to SONAR. But on the other hand I could better use the money to replace my Audigy for a Delta66. Does that one come with a frontpanel, James?

I couldn't miss my front panel. I need one mono input, and one stereo (or two mono) and a seperate headphone jack. That's all.
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Why would you buy the Delta66 if HS2002 can only handle 2 inputs at a time?

Seems like overkill.
 
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