Concerning the SB live and multichannel recording

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Oh REALLY????
The 24 bit challenge kinda got me thinking... although i donot agree (24 bit -16 bit ... no difference... yeah right) i do agree on the fact that on my recordings there WON'T be a difference. So my band mate actually bought a pentium IV bitch ass computer last week... SOOO... he has a Sound blaster 128 PCI (what is that?) i believe... is that the same as the live cards? anyway my real question is where can i find a good quality 16 bit AD DA box with 8 i/o the out feature being the less important... that can be hooked up to the sb without many probs? ofcourse we are on a budget (as always) but we need a stable system... we 're probably going to use cool edit...

Thanks alot, the DAY of actual recording is coming near...

guhlenn:rolleyes:
 
if you have a good band , why not just record to stereo with the soundblaster?
 
Apart from being a really strange answer (hey i need gas for my car, where can i get it... answer; why don't you walk? ...)

i want to multitrack as that is the only way to have some flexibilty...

now back to topic; what converter has 8 i/o at at least 16 bit and works with the sb live?

I'm pretty sure there is a straight forward answer but untill now i've always looked at the pc card plus break out box config so i'm out on a limb here....

guhlenn
 
why are you so worried about the sb ? there are all kinds of ways to record a band to pc...how many tracks are you looking to multitrack max?
 
Yeah, seriously... Sound Blasters are GAMER cards and nothing more. you will not find a 8 input SB type card anywhere. If you want that many inputs, you really have no choice but to go to 24bits with something from M-Audio or a similar brand.
 
MOTU 828 could be cool. But, none of the multi track cards or any other card for that matter works off of the soundblaster. They work independantly of it. Even thoughthe sounblaster may be limited to 16 bits, a 24 bit card living in the computer with it could record and play back at 24 bits.
 
the sb is great for games, and is good with midi, and has some good onboard crap...but for serious recording of audio, you don't want an sb in your pc, however religiously some people may proselitize ...it sounds like crap..
 
excellent recording. makes me want to listen to jesus just left chicago.
 
Thanks. Like I said, it's not my weapon of choice by a long shot, but it can get passable results.
 
ok . to j&brzlian; please read before you post...

i'll state my question again. Sure i could buy an m-audio or digi or aardvark... yes i know. i'm NOT asking that. And there are plenty of 16 bit 8 i/o cards.

Track rat; isn't it possible to hook up an extrenal AD DA converter, or do I need the card that goes along? ie can i use the sb as the card and just get an 8i/o ad da converter...

the sb is already there... I do not need comments like " it's a game card it's a pc card ... i know. But i still want to try.

I think that because of our use of a cheap mixing board it won't matter... and as you said, some decent recordings were made with an sb. I want to at least have tried it before going to more expensive options.

SO PLEASE; do not scream that the sb is a GAMER card; cuz I don't care... and I bet you have never tried it either(brzlian) , you are only stating the general opinion.
 
goddamn track rat, that's the shit i'm talking about... Would you be so kind to tell me how you recorded, any expensive stuff or tricks you applied to make it sound so good?

guhlenn
 
No, you can't connect a multi channel AD/DA up to a SoundBlaster. The one I had once upon a time was equiped with a S/PDIF in and out so you COULD use a stereo unit like an Apogee Rosetta but that's about it.
 
Really nothing special. At the time I did that one I used the mic pre's in my StudioMaster console, SM-57's on guitars, bass through a Hughs & Kettner B.A.T.T. direct in, direct in with the keys, an AKG C-3000 on vocals. The drums where real up to a point. I made some loops out of a real kit, copied the loop and pasted it on a new track and slid the copy up 3 or 4 beats (I can't recall exactly how far now) to get that shuffle sound, all no more than two tracks at a time
 
Thank sfor your reply. I really had no clue about the sb. anyway it seems that a 16 bit system isn't bad. didn't know that with all the japping about 24 bit...

anyway prices are dropping fast so i guess i'll get a higher quality card and break out box anyway.
any recommendations on a low budget card? been lookin at hoontech as the cheapest and the digi as highest priced card...

guhlenn
 
guhlenn said:
SO PLEASE; do not scream that the sb is a GAMER card; cuz I don't care... and I bet you have never tried it either(brzlian) , you are only stating the general opinion.
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You assume too much...

Of course I have recorded with the SB and its sounds terrible. I not only get noise from the inputs, but the card itself picks up interference from other cards in my computer. The latency sucks when I use soft synths as well...

Lets not forget about Creative's terrible customer/driver support and dubious marketing tactics by making false claims about their product and features.

Would you like me to continue?
 
Yes you can get good results with a SB if you know what your doing but the main issue is that for the price you will pay for an external DAC you could pay the same and get a whole new card. A few years ago that was not the case.

I believe the Audiophile is the cheapest, decent 24bit card under $200. Please correct me if I'm wrong, anybody.
 
brzilian, i would like you to continue. I'm bashing you here but take the time and listen to track rats recordings made with an SB... they are not "too shabby" now are they?

So the extreme noise YOU got, well, was something you did wrong I guess

I wasn't talking synth or whatever just plain recording.

And about the customer support... who cares ? it's a $25 card what do you expect...?

All I'm really saying is that it could have been a vciable option if it could handle multitracker... and it's dirt cheap.

no offense mna, i'm just flat broke:(
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guhlenn
 
If you can figure out how you could record your band a couple tracks at a time you could live with the Soundblaster for now.Use a mixer to submix your drums down to two tracks.It will be a pain in the ass to plan your tracks and then to track them but if you are patient and diligent you can get passable tracks down.Star with the drum tracks and build from there.You will encounter difficulties along the way but it will make you think creativly.

I had a Soundblaster and it did give better results than you would guess from the bashing that the Soundblaster recieves,that said I upgraded to a M-Audio Audiophile and I find the difference pretty amazing.I'm sure part of the difference is the fact that now I record at 24bit. If you didn't already have a Soundblaster at your disposal I would recommend against buying one but it should be satisfactory to get you tracking.

There is a variety of sound cards with eight ins but if you are strapped for cash you can start recording with what you have today and save your money for an upgraded card.I have become a fan of the M-Audio stuff (check out their Audio Buddy mic preamp) so the unit that looks good to me right now is the Delta 1010(but it cost $560) so right now that is probably out of your budget.Start recording now with what you have and by the time you do upgrade to a eight in soundcard you will have learned quite a bit from making do with what you have.The time to start recording is NOW!! :D
 
If you didn't already have a Soundblaster at your disposal I would recommend against buying one but it should be satisfactory to get you tracking.
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My point exactly.:cool:
 
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