Concept Album.

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So i have ideas of a concept album in the works. Loosely based on a book that indirectly i relate myself to the subject character. Who happens to be somewhat of a non-fiction legend from my home.

Allegorically realted. It's complicated.

But as i am fumbling for lyrics (which i have struggled with in general my whole life) im finding this is turning out to be a daunting task. Incredibly.


has anyone ever done this before?

Got tips?


Like i am thinking of reading agian and making jot notes? So things are fresher and name's places etc, come together more clearly.

Just need some tips is all.

If any can be provided. I do understand lyrics come from the heart mind and soul but.....
 
Lyrics only matter to old women and little kids. Just write whatever.


My album is a concept album too. The concept is it never being finished.
 
:laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings:

True enough.

But even so. Thats how i felt back in the day. The subject matter of my previous life was everything from dental hygene to circus clowns. And of course that subject that just gets beat to death .... love....

Catchy songs mind you but offers little in the way of something i am truly proud of. you know.

I want to do this. I but if i can't come up with something i may have ot scrap it.

Which i don't want to do either.

:(
 
i love albums with concepts , i am , myself trying to record one but it's far from over, good luck with yours.
 
So i have ideas of a concept album in the works. Loosely based on a book that indirectly i relate myself to the subject character. Who happens to be somewhat of a non-fiction legend from my home.

Allegorically realted. It's complicated.

But as i am fumbling for lyrics (which i have struggled with in general my whole life) im finding this is turning out to be a daunting task. Incredibly.


has anyone ever done this before?

Got tips?


Like i am thinking of reading agian and making jot notes? So things are fresher and name's places etc, come together more clearly.

Just need some tips is all.

If any can be provided. I do understand lyrics come from the heart mind and soul but.....

I find if you try taking notes, you become too tedious in your writing process, and unintenially "pepper" the song with specific info. I suggest you try try to get a fuzzy concept of the feelings and your lead/character is experiencing throughout the story- then make the story your own. Oh, and drink 8-10 ounces of whisky while you write- helps a bunch! :D
 
The subject matter of my previous life was everything from dental hygene to circus clowns. And of course that subject that just gets beat to death .... love....

I think I speak for us all A-Bomb when I say there's a large gap in the worldwide musical canon that a song about dental hygeine would fill nicely....

Or maybe a song about a clown with poor dental hygeine....

Or a song about a clown with poor dental hygeine looking for love...

There's your concept! Let me kick it off for you:

"I was just a foolish guy with a big red plastic nose
I wore a stripy jumpsuit and had clown boots on my toes
People saw my surface but never what was beneath
I'm sure they would have loved me if not for my stinking rotten teeth.

So I booked some time at the local dental place
Getting my choppers done would put the smile back on my face
The hygeinist was beautiful and it hardly hurt a bit
And while she bent down over me I reached out and squeezed her tit

CHORUS
I'm just a foolish clown who's lookin' for some lovin'
Don't want long term commitment, or a bun in the oven
But no-one will come near me I'm the halitosis king
If I can't get some lovin', then at least I can still sing..."

I'll let you know where you can send the royalties...

Sorry... but it's Friday... :laughings:
 
:laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings:

True enough.

But even so. Thats how i felt back in the day. The subject matter of my previous life was everything from dental hygene to circus clowns. And of course that subject that just gets beat to death .... love....

Catchy songs mind you but offers little in the way of something i am truly proud of. you know.

I want to do this. I but if i can't come up with something i may have ot scrap it.

Which i don't want to do either.

:(

Read the lyrics of other concept albums, and get a feel for how they do it.

If you were going to write a novel, you probably would have read a few books in your time, and picked up some tips ;)

I only know of metal concept albums (Iron Maiden, Iced Earth etc), so I can't recommend any non-metal ones to you :)

Edit: Armistice, yes, I'm still up :p it's 03:53 :o Early yet :D
 
TM said he was writing a concept album based on his observations in the cave...I cant wait not to download that one...
 
HA! Great posts.


no, i'm over the dental hygene and clown stuff.

For now.


I need something lucritive to settle my own curiosities.

Yea.

It may be hard.

It may just end up being an EP rather then a full length. Which i guess would be easier attainable then a full length. I cna write drivel till it comes out of my ears if i wanted to i am sure.

This is something else. haha.
 
I think I speak for us all A-Bomb when I say there's a large gap in the worldwide musical canon that a song about dental hygeine would fill nicely....

Or maybe a song about a clown with poor dental hygeine....

Or a song about a clown with poor dental hygeine looking for love...

There's your concept! Let me kick it off for you:

"I was just a foolish guy with a big red plastic nose
I wore a stripy jumpsuit and had clown boots on my toes
People saw my surface but never what was beneath
I'm sure they would have loved me if not for my stinking rotten teeth.

So I booked some time at the local dental place
Getting my choppers done would put the smile back on my face
The hygeinist was beautiful and it hardly hurt a bit
And while she bent down over me I reached out and squeezed her tit

CHORUS
I'm just a foolish clown who's lookin' for some lovin'
Don't want long term commitment, or a bun in the oven
But no-one will come near me I'm the halitosis king
If I can't get some lovin', then at least I can still sing..."

That's fantastic ! Can't wait to hear the harmonies. :p

Atom, there are lots of interesting concept albums from yesteryear that might be worth a listen, though I don't know your musical taste. "Tommy" {the Who}, "2112" {Rush}, "SF Sorrow" { the Pretty Things}, "A love supreme" {Chante Moore}, "Daughter of time" {Colosseum}, "Ogden's nut gone flake" {the Small Faces}, "The Tain" {Horslips}, "The rise and fall of Ziggy Stardust and the spiders from Mars" {David Bowie}, "The survival of St Joan" {Smokerise}. There's tons of them. Not to mention "rock operas" and rock musicals. What springs to mind with some of them is that a number of the songs were songs that the band/artist had lying around or were just written with no concept in mind but were sort of "worked in" to the album's concept and could stand on their own, independent of the concept album it's on. "Pinball wizard" from 'Tommy' is a good example. The album was moreorless finished when Pete Townshend wrote that, to appease a journalist that he played some songs to that found them boring and the storyline ridiculous. Half the songs on "Ogden" and "2112" aren't even part of the concept and were on the other side of the record. So not every song needs to "fit the concept".
Over the last four or so years, I've found myself writing a number of songs that, when I thought about it, had similar themes or were differing points of view of the same subject and as such, I'm kind of working on four concept albums. It'll be a few years before they're all completely finished, I tend to be very bitty in my recording in the sense that rarely will I start and finish a song in the same week. Try years ! But who cares ? I never take notes but I do jot down sentences and phrases here and there that I think might make good lyrics. Other times I'll just do a splurge and write a whole lot of crap and quite a few good lyrics have come that way. I don't put any rules on it. If it's an 8 line song, fine. If it's 10 verses, fine. At some point I force discipline and beat things into some semblence of shape.
One other thing I'd say is that you may be the only one that actually understands or even cares about the concept. So it should be accessible to any listeners, that is, listeners should love the songs, regardless of any conceptual considerations. A kid or an old woman should be able to dig the song before getting their head around "the concept" :D. In a way, it's only in the lyrics that one detects that there's a concept. Who could guess "Ziggy Stardust" is about a gay alien rock star ? Or that Horslips' "Dancehall sweethearts" is about a blind Irish harpist ? Who could care less ?

"Not I", said the chicken.
I think it's fair to say most people hear a song before the lyrics or particular instruments (with the possible exception of the drums)

Easier said than done, but "just write" and manouver what you write into your theme.
 
My album is a concept album too. The concept is it never being finished.

:laughings:

I'm actually of the other mind here - I think I'd have an EASIER time writing a concept album, where I already had a story or narrative, than trying to write lyrics from the ground up. This is a main part of the reason I write instrumental music. Well, that and I can't sing. :D

Atom - do you regularly listen to concept albums? What are a few favorites?
 
TIn a way, it's only in the lyrics that one detects that there's a concept. Who could guess "Ziggy Stardust" is about a gay alien rock star ? Or that Horslips' "Dancehall sweethearts" is about a blind Irish harpist ? Who could care less ?

Not necessarily - a number of concept albums rely on repeated motifs to give a sense of cohesiveness to the music, as well. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" is a perfect example - the "In the Flesh?" melody is everywhere, and they keep reprising "Another brick..." at different types/degrees of alienation as the story unfolds. It's been a long time since I've listened to "Tommy," but IIRC there's a fair amount of that there too.

And, not that this is a pure "concept album" in any sense of the words, but one of my favorite moments from Dream Theater's "Awake" is when they, um, pre-prise (I guess...?) the chords to "Space-Dye Vest" near the end of "The Mirror," or on a similar note on Bruce Dickinson's "The Chemical Wedding" when in the outro to the final track, "The Alchemist," he reprises the chorus of "Chemical Wedding," slowed down a hair, with clean-toned guitars and a softer, more forlorn vocal. It's absolutely epic.
 
Not necessarily - a number of concept albums rely on repeated motifs to give a sense of cohesiveness to the music, as well. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" is a perfect example - the "In the Flesh?" melody is everywhere, and they keep reprising "Another brick..." at different types/degrees of alienation as the story unfolds. It's been a long time since I've listened to "Tommy," but IIRC there's a fair amount of that there too.

And, not that this is a pure "concept album" in any sense of the words, but one of my favorite moments from Dream Theater's "Awake" is when they, um, pre-prise (I guess...?) the chords to "Space-Dye Vest" near the end of "The Mirror," or on a similar note on Bruce Dickinson's "The Chemical Wedding" when in the outro to the final track, "The Alchemist," he reprises the chorus of "Chemical Wedding," slowed down a hair, with clean-toned guitars and a softer, more forlorn vocal. It's absolutely epic.

Drew, you're probably familiar with Fates Warning's 6-song "No Exit" album? The 6th song (18 minutes) on it called "The Ivory Gate of Dreams", and it's split into 8 different songs, so it's kind of a concept album within an album. But yeah, they have the whole recurring theme throughout. Kinda reminded me of what you were talking about there.
 
Drew, you're probably familiar with Fates Warning's 6-song "No Exit" album? The 6th song (18 minutes) on it called "The Ivory Gate of Dreams", and it's split into 8 different songs, so it's kind of a concept album within an album. But yeah, they have the whole recurring theme throughout. Kinda reminded me of what you were talking about there.

I'm actually not. :/ I AM familiar with "A Pleasant Shade of Grey," however, Parts I-XII, which while not exactly in the same vein is at least sort of ballpark. ;)

That said, FWX is the album of theirs I listen to the most, hands down.
 
The Elder album by KISS is an off-the-beaten-path story driven concept album from them. Might check it out, it's a mash of rock, orchestral...etc...

FWIW
 
Not necessarily - a number of concept albums rely on repeated motifs to give a sense of cohesiveness to the music, as well. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" is a perfect example - the "In the Flesh?" melody is everywhere, and they keep reprising "Another brick..." at different types/degrees of alienation as the story unfolds. It's been a long time since I've listened to "Tommy," but IIRC there's a fair amount of that there too.

Yeah, good point. But that was why I said "in a way". There are plenty of albums that have recurring musical themes or motifs, as Frank Zappa used to call them, that aren't really concept albums as such. Kansas' "Masque", for example has the end of 'Mysteries and mayhem' repeated in slower symphonic form at the start of the next song, 'The pinnacle'. But I am using "concept" in a stricter sense than it should be perhaps because instrumental albums can be concepts too {eg, "The Planets" by Holst, even though it wasn't an album, as such, but you get my drift....}.
 
The Fields of the Nephilim album Elizium is a pretty cool epic one as well..
 
Atom - do you regularly listen to concept albums? What are a few favorites?

Yea i have a few. Tops is definitly Thrice's The Alchemy Index. Based on the the the four elements Earth Air Fire and Water. I really fucking hated it at first. But i dug it up a few months and those four albums are in my ersonal top 20 list of all time. They are incrdibly well written, performed and more over wonderfully thought out as far as Concept albums.

Buck65's Situation album was pretty stellar too.

I wasn't huge into the whole metal Concept album things. I may check some of it out for lyrical stuff.

I was talking to an old producer buddy of mine from back home he basically suaid im working backwards.

I currently have some of the musical ideas thrown together and going ot work on lyrics after.

His suggestion was to focus on on the lyrical subject matter first. Take a notebook with me everywhere, or voice notes on my phone. Gather all my thoughts and get that aspect loosely constructed first then that will be the foundation, as it is a conecpt album. Lyrical Content is key. I can work it into the dynamics and atmospehere of the sonic aspect easier when i am not worrying about how am i going to convey this emotion, with this sturcture...

It was a lengty (expensive) convo :laughings:

Musically speaking every album is a concept when it comes to the music. Thats the easy part (Apparently). Its getting my message / story across that is the detrimental.

It actually made perfect sense after i hung up the phone.
 
Musically speaking every album is a concept when it comes to the music. Thats the easy part (Apparently). Its getting my message / story across that is the detrimental.

An interesting question worth asking is this > if you didn't already know the story/message in the concept albums, would just listening to the songs make you think "aaah, that's an interesting story" or how long would it be before you knew what the story was ? To this day, members of Yes in '73 have no idea what "Tales of Topographic oceans" is about ! After "Tommy", Pete Townshend had an idea for a follow up, "Lifehouse" and none of the others in the band or their entourage had a clue what he was going on about and he ended up having a nervous breakdown, abandoning the project and that's how "Who's next" came to be. There's this priceless "Rolling Stone" interview from 1968 where Townshend tries to explain to Jann Wenner what 'Tommy' is about. I'm not sure the album itself makes that clear. Do the conceptual themes of "Dark side of the moon" and "Wish you were here" stand out ? Salem Hill's "Robbery of murder" certainly has some angry songs and yet, the story of the kid's Dad being killed isn't that obvious through the album.
Enough ! I'm hanging up the phone....
 
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