Computer or Stand-Alone Digital?

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Check with Skippy

Gregg,
We are just selling our house and I'm busy drawing plans to build another one with a studio built into the rafters(few parallel walls) and it will be a while before I dig further into the D824. I will say this, after the HD was formatted, it was less than 25 minutes before we were doing pristine recording. That never happens with a PC. So far, my only complaint is the noise of the fan in the box. An extention of the front remote would help that problem. Skippy is the expert in the D series Fostex recorders. Try to contact him.
Chuck
 
Sorry that I didn't get back to you on this sooner- I'd stopped reading this thread when it became as OS/platform discussion.

I don't know that I would describe myself as the "expert" in anything, in fact: I'm just fearless enough to rip into stuff without thinking about it too much. (;-)

The Fostex standalone HDRs are really very easy to learn, and you can be productive on them within just a couple of hours of opening the box. I'm not exaggerating: if you can print 2-track to cassette, you can run the basic operations on these guys and get work done, right away.

The huge advantage they offer over computer recording is their simplicity. They allow you to record and reproduce sound, do very basic editing (head/tail cropping, track splitting, cut and paste), and _that's it_. There are no ratholes to go down in trying to install third-party software drivers, or handle compatibility issues... You just plug them in and go. They do what they do, they do _only_ what they do, and they do it very well. Period.

I'm now in the process of incorporating a DAW in my setup, because I want to do more sophisticated editing than can be done on the box itself, and because I want to be able do to backups of my data in a manner that is more familiar to me. But it was important to me to get the ability to record and get work done _first_: thus, the standalone HDR was the only real choice for me, personally. Now, and only now, I can start fighting the DAW wars. And I'm frankly not looking forward to it very much, even though I've decided to purchase a ready-to-go turnkey unit from Soundchaser. I see the HDR and the DAW as complementary, rather than exclusive. I will always *track* to the HDR, because it is stone reliable by comparison, and then perhaps I'll do post-processing on the DAW (Gawd willing and the creek don't rise...). If the DAW takes a dump, and apparently that is painfully common, I can then fly the unmunged basics back down from the HDR, or restore them from offline backup.

Call me paranoid if you like. The only caveat with any digital recorder, be it DAW or standalone HDR: back up early, back up often. The Fostex machines make it a little harder to do backups well than their advertising materials would lead you to believe. The hot setup for a standalone backup methodology is probably a SCSI Zip or Jaz drive, or perhaps a tape drive (I haven't tried that yet). Other drive types (especially CD-ROM) have to come from a very limited list of supported drives, as I found out to my woe after buying an unsupported drive. Frankly, I'm primarily building the DAW so that I can fly the data down via ADAT lightpipe and use my already-existing computer backup mechanisms to make backup/archival copies.

The standalone HDRs make it a little more difficult to lose data than a computer-based DAW (since they don't crash as often), but only a little. In both cases, once it's gone, _it is gone_. I've never seen a reel of analog tape develop a bad directory block and become unuseable (;-), or an analog recorder destroy an entire tune when the power fails in mid-take, so I'm overly cautious here because of my background...

Hope this helps. If possible, lay hands on many examples of each before buying, regardless of whether you choose HDR or DAW. I had it easy: I simply wanted a tapeless tape machine with as few bells and whistles as possible, and that's what I got for my nickel. IMNSHO, it is easier to make an optimal decision when you know precisely what you want. Your mileage may vary...
 
sheesh

Man, this thread has grown far to long, and encompasses far too many topics. Nintendo? Come on. This thread is now cursed, and anyone who posts a new message to this thread will have bad luck recording music for the next year. Hehe.
 
Once you've had a Mac
You will never go back!
Bill Gates is the AntiChristo!
Mac On Brothers!
 
we should have a blind-fold taste test on this whole mac vs pc shit and have a cd compiled of mixed tracks from each and let ppl guess which platform created which tunes - AND WHICH SOUND THE BEST. but, i bet they both sound great.

who gives a fuck if bill gates is satan's mother as long as we can make these machines crank out the noise. who's better - fender or gibson?(oh oh, now i've started it - lol)

rockin peace
 
i like your idea with doing the blind test but the problem is we would have to wait 3 weeks after the MAC recording was done because of PC crashes
lol =)
 
Now that's not nice young man! Bill Gates has a mother too ya know! How does she feel right now?

(bill does have a mother doesn't he? Well we all agree he's got a father (666) hehehe)

;)

guhlenn
 
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Well, I will say I have recorded in stidios that have used both stand-alone systems & windows computers and I don't recall ever having any glitches with the ADAT whilt the Windows was nothing short of a nightmare..

I was looking into building a quality computer that would hopefully emiminate the computer problems but it makes for more sense to me now to eliminate to problem alltogether..

I'm going stand-alone.., most likely the Fostex 824.

Gregg
 
Experiences with recording on a PC will directly relate to 1) the PC experience and knowledge of the person setting it up and using it, 2) the quality of the hardware components in the PC, 3) the quality of the OS and recording software. I have been recording on my PC for just under two years now, and my hardware has always been solid but it took some time to find the right software. Since I switched from Windows98 and Cool Edit Pro to Windows ME and Logic Audio (which was a few months ago) I have had *not one single crash* while recording, and I have never had any odd noises or hiccups in my tracks or anything like that. In fact, the only time my PC has crashed in the last... oh, 9 months or so was when I've downloaded some buggy shareware from the net. If you're afraid of PC's or don't know anything at all about them, then maybe your experience won't be quite as smooth. My point is that if you know what you're doing, or if you know someone who *does* know what they're doing who can get you started, the PC is not the nightmare that many people here would suggest.
 
"if you know what you're doing, or if you know someone who *does* know what they're doing who can get you started, the PC is not the nightmare that many people here would suggest."

My first point is that that's a pretty big 'if'. Newbies take note.

My second point is that for the price of a standalone that does what I want it to do (8 simultaneous tracks at 24/96) I can buy almost TWO PCs with decent soundcards that do the same thing. Well, almost the same thing. And okay, I haven't factored in the software. But that's still expensive convenience regards the standalone. At this point, I'm still sticking with computer tracking, and I'll spend the difference on a mic or two that will make women (or men, for that matter) want to have sex with me. Or if they don't, I'll be happy having sex with myself. Despite my first 'if' (see above). See, I still want to mix on the computer, so I need a computer anyway.

In other words, if I win the lottery, I'll get the standalone. Otherwise, Akai and Fostex can wait. :D
 
The reason this double-posted is that there are so many people on the board now, I had to wait (continuously trying to get this message posted) for 10-15 minutes. Gee, what a popular website.
 
Forget PC or Mac... my Atari 1200XL never crashed. I'd go with that, or maybe a Vic 20.
 
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Diragor said:
Experiences with recording on a PC will directly relate to 1) the PC experience and knowledge of the person setting it up and using it, 2) the quality of the hardware components in the PC, 3) the quality of the OS and recording software. I have been recording on my PC for just under two years now, and my hardware has always been solid but it took some time to find the right software. Since I switched from Windows98 and Cool Edit Pro to Windows ME and Logic Audio (which was a few months ago) I have had *not one single crash* while recording, and I have never had any odd noises or hiccups in my tracks or anything like that. In fact, the only time my PC has crashed in the last... oh, 9 months or so was when I've downloaded some buggy shareware from the net. If you're afraid of PC's or don't know anything at all about them, then maybe your experience won't be quite as smooth. My point is that if you know what you're doing, or if you know someone who *does* know what they're doing who can get you started, the PC is not the nightmare that many people here would suggest.


Do you mind saying what computer you are now using and if you built it yourself, exactly what hardware did you use for it??

Thanks,

Gregg
 
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dobro said:
"if you know what you're doing, or if you know someone who *does* know what they're doing who can get you started, the PC is not the nightmare that many people here would suggest."

My first point is that that's a pretty big 'if'. Newbies take note.

My second point is that for the price of a standalone that does what I want it to do (8 simultaneous tracks at 24/96) I can buy almost TWO PCs with decent soundcards that do the same thing. Well, almost the same thing. And okay, I haven't factored in the software. But that's still expensive convenience regards the standalone. At this point, I'm still sticking with computer tracking, and I'll spend the difference on a mic or two that will make women (or men, for that matter) want to have sex with me. Or if they don't, I'll be happy having sex with myself. Despite my first 'if' (see above). See, I still want to mix on the computer, so I need a computer anyway.

In other words, if I win the lottery, I'll get the standalone. Otherwise, Akai and Fostex can wait. :D


The Fostex 824 can be had for $1395 new. (w/10g. hard drive)

Pretty reasonable I think..

Gregg
 
No problem, here's my current system (which I built):

Abit BE6 motherboard
Intel PIII 800
128MB PC100 SDRAM
2 - 20GB 7200rpm UDMA66 hard drives, one IBM one Maxtor
ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon video card
SoundBlaster Live! sound card
Creative 5x DVD drive
Mitsumi 4x4x24 CDRW drive
MOTU 1224 audio interface

I just did an upgrade recently - for a long time I had a Celeron 333 overclocked to 375, only one of those hard drives and a TNT2 Ultra video card.
 
After reading EMU4TX's responses, I am forced to conclude that Mac keyboards do not support the "." symbol.

Seriously, everyone here makes good points. Macs have some advantages in stability and plenty of music and graphic software. PCs have way more total software and hardware, many OS's to chose from (don't forget Linix), and lower prices on everything. Personally I use PCs because it makes it easier for me to integrate with the non-music world out there (which is overwelmingly PC). For me music is more of a hobby, not a full-time job (mind you a serious $$$$ sucking hobby). If I was running a studio as my only income my priorites would be different and my system might be also. But I think either platform could be the foundation of a good studio.

Can't we all just get along? :)
 
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