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when u uses compression. do u set it in your mix and then compress or what to the mastering. what i was doing was mixing my my music and then compress it then i will boost my levels to 0.1db. if i'm doing it wrong please someone let me know.
 
twelveo8 said:
when u uses compression. do u set it in your mix and then compress or what to the mastering. what i was doing was mixing my my music and then compress it then i will boost my levels to 0.1db. if i'm doing it wrong please someone let me know.

I wouldn't leave that 0.1dB on the table. Crank it to 0dB!
 
I'm still trying to figure out what the question is.

But to be safe...crank it to zero, baby.
 
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RAMI said:
I'm still trying to figure out what the question is.

But to be safe...crank it to zero, baby.

Actually you can turn it up a little past zero . . . a few subsequent maxed out samples aren't audible. Try turning it up to +0.3dB and maybe that will get you closer to commercial CDs.

But you are asking about compression. First I would compress on the way in, pretty high threshold, high-ish ratio, just to trim the peaks and prevent overs. You wanna print it REAL hot. Then compress each track pretty good, but not too high a ratio. Make sure to edit down any loud parts with envelopes, then you can really crank the makeup gain on the compressor. Sometimes use two compressors on a track, like a vocal, one that's dirty and one that's clean. If you are using busses, like for drums, compress each drum, then compress the bus. Next you want to compress the whole mix, kinda lightly but you can pick up a few more dB here. I like to use a vari-mu compressor for that. Ah heck, I like to use a vari-mu compressor for everything. Except limiting, I just hard limit. Or you can soft limit then hard limit. I wouldn't just soft limit. But a good limiter will only get you so far. That's when you need to bump the output of the limiter over 0dB, that's where you get the hottness.
 
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when u uses compression.

When you find the time to use compression....



do u set it in your mix and then compress or what to the mastering.

Do you like to screw up your mixes by using compression on the over all mix at home, or would you rather leave it to a professional to do it for you?


what i was doing was mixing my my music and then compress it then i will boost my levels to 0.1db.

What I like to do is....I like to mix my music on the wild side. I crank it up to a wild .1 db and let the good times roll. (Deep Shaft voice).

if i'm doing it wrong please someone let me know.


If my techniques are whack, please call me out on it. I am aware that many engineers omit this step and go straight to the pressing plant. Thank you for your time.
 
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I think he asked whether to use buss compression during mixing, or wait till mastering.

twelve - It's best to do this during "mastering", especially if you don't know exactly what you're doing. Better to play it safe on the mix file.
 
twelveo8 said:
when u uses compression. do u set it in your mix and then compress or what to the mastering. what i was doing was mixing my my music and then compress it then i will boost my levels to 0.1db. if i'm doing it wrong please someone let me know.
Compression is no different than any other signal processing tool like EQ or reverb:

Use compression where it's needed, don't use it where it isn't needed. This is true in all three phases of recording; tracking, mixing and mastering.

In GENERAL:

Tracking: If you need to compress on the way in to the control room to tame the dynamic range well enough to get manageable signal levels, then do so. Otherwise save the compression for if/when iit's needed later for mixing or effect.

Mixing: If you need to compress individual tracks or submixes in order to get them to "sit better" in the mix with the other tracks - and compression gives a more desireable result in this case than automation - then compress those tracks to taste for the purpose of getting the mix.
Additionally, it's at this stage where you'd apply any individual compression to individual tracks or groups for special audio effect.

(Pre)Mastering: If you need to compress to boost the overall RMS volume of the mix, this is where it would usually be done.

It's also important to note that these three steps do not exist in their own worlds but instead interact with each other in unavoidable ways. For instance, compression during the tracking stage will affect your range of options in the mixing stage, and compression in the mixing stage will often have the same effect on your options in premastering.

G.
 
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Compression is no different than any other signal processing tool like EQ or reverb:

Use compression where it's needed, don't use it where it isn't needed. This is true in all three phases of recording; tracking, mixing and mastering.

In GENERAL:

Tracking: If you need to compress on the way in to the control room to tame the dynamic range well enough to get manageable signal levels, then do so. Otherwise save the compression for if/when iit's needed later for mixing or effect.

Mixing: If you need to compress individual tracks or submixes in order to get them to "sit better" in the mix with the other tracks - and compression gives a more desireable result in this case than automation - then compress those tracks to taste for the purpose of getting the mix.
Additionally, it's at this stage where you'd apply any individual compression to individual tracks or groups for special audio effect.

(Pre)Mastering: If you need to compress to boost the overall RMS volume of the mix, this is where it would usually be done.

It's also important to note that these three steps do not exist in their own worlds but instead interact with each other in unavoidable ways. For instance, compression during the tracking stage will affect your range of options in the mixing stage, and compression in the mixing stage will often have the same effect on your options in premastering.

G.

That's an awesome post. I find that I do all three of the above techniques on each track. It's a cumulative build of well constructed noise :D.
 
I use compression on subgroups and individual channels and leave eq and dynamics of the stereo mix to the pro's. We usually have the mastering facility master to tape and then work their magic. If you are burning your own CD's and giving them out, go ahead and "master", if it sounds good on a variety of systems, if it sounds consistent on a boombox (does anyone actually say boombox anymore?) and good in the car, and good at Skywalker Sound, then you've done a good job.

Mastering Engineers are extensively trained, and have ears that pick up sounds only my dog can hear. That's why they make a lot of money. Although there are a lot of guys that buy a computer and DAW and some plug ins and charge $50 a song to do what they call, and what can only vaguely be described as, mastering.
 
Compression is evil. Oh, and so is reverb. They will ensnare and addict you.




:D

Tim
 
why not do both. take your mix to a mastering house (if you are serious about producing something to cell or give to DJs), and also mix it yourself, and then listen to the difference. if you are going to compress the mix use multiband compression with a light ratio and makeup gain so you aren't clamping down on the sound but just 'reducing' dynamics a bit to improve the average sound level.

I almost said limiting the dynamics, but i didn't want to use that word for obvious reasons.
 
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