Compressing drums

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I know there's not a right or wrong way of doing it and it all depends on the type of sound one's going for, but can someone give me a good place to start?? I have no clue... I'm mixing rock, in the style of Kansas, Boston, Styx, etc...
 
Try a little bit of parallel compression on the snare to add some beef (search the forum if you're unclear on what this is). Possibly a bit of limiting on the kick to keep large transients down and to help bring the kick "forward". At times it's nice to add a small amount of compression on the overheads to help reduce the amount of snare and bring the overall level of the cymbals up.

Not really a fan of just compressing a subgroup of the drums over doing this on the individual tracks, but if you're short on good compressors this can be done as well.
 
Thanks for the reply.
Any settings, ratio, attack, threshold, release?? somewhere to start and then adjust in each case?
 
depends on what your looking for in the sound or what it needs.

If the snare has too much snappy attack with the transients youll want to put a fast attack on. Somewhere between 5-20 milliseconds. Release youll want anywhere between 100-200 milliseconds i find. Maybe more sometimes if its slow song.

If its a sluggish snare that needs more attack then kind of do the opposite. Use a slow attack 20-40 milliseconds (er thats pretty slow for a snare i believe but you could even go slower if it needs it) and then release from say 60-150. I think the faster you can get the release the better. This makes the snare pump too which can be cool.

Then theres everything in between. Just depends on what your going for or what it needs.

Danny
 
Until you're really aware of what compressors are doing to the sound you're putting through them, you may want to start off with extreme ratio and threshold settings and back off from there.
Try this out... increase your compression ratio as high as it goes. Then lower your threshold as low as it goes. Keep the attack and release as short as possible, and leave the makeup gain at unity for now. Now put your drum track through it (not a submix, just one track for now). You shouldn't be hearing much at all becuase of the low threshold. Increase the attack time slowly and you'll start to hear the transients (mostly high frequencies) snapping through. Increase the makeup gain carefully and you can hear it more clearly. When you adjust the release, you can prevent or induce "breathing", which is the sound of the compressor returning your signal level to normal after the signal drops below your threshold setting.

Aside from creative use, you would typically want to make sure your release time is short enough to not overflow onto the next drum hit. That means the compressor will not be active when the next transient comes around, and the attack of the next hit will trigger the compression again. If it's still active (ie, your release time is too long), the level of your next transient will be lower, and you may get somewhat inconsistent transient levels.

Try raising the threshold (you may have to lower your makeup gain if you've increased it a lot) and you'll get more of your original sound through since the compressor will be activated less often, and will perform less gain reduction.

When you know what you're listening for when using a compressor, you'll be able to utilize it to massage things in or out of the track. Another way some mixers use them is to set a moderate ratio (maybe 2-5), set the attack and release times according to the material (fast attack to kill a transient, slow to let it pass through, fast release to minimize the artifacts, slow release to sculpt the sound after the transient), and then lower your threshold until your meters show moderate gain reduction (program dependent, but i'll say that 3dB of reduction is a good starting point for creative compression). Note that this approach is surely for those who know the sound of the compressor they're using. Anytime you're mixing with the meters instead of your ears, you can get into trouble.

But really, compressors are tools like all other things. Is your drum track not a consistent level? Use a compressor to even out the performance. Apply the threshold so it tames the louder hits and leaves the softer hits alone. Is your snare muddy and dull? Use a compressor to let the snap of the transient through while attenuating the rest of the hit. That contrast will make the snare pop more.

Oh yeah, use makeup gain to bring your signal back up to where you want it after squashing.

Good luck,
marcus
 
Good post sucram.

I just wanted to note that lower ratios usually work better for me. Unless i really have a dynamic singer. I do alot of karaoke work (yahoo) and sometimes i get some doosy singers in here. Most of the time the only way to fix their lack of dynamic control is to crank that 1176 plugin at 20:1 ratio and just squash it.

And it really does depend on the color im going for. drums are very tempermental with compressors ive found. Its best to use it as little as possible. Some vocalists really dont need alot of compression at all. But you can get other things out of a compressor besides dynamic control. Sometimes i will compress hard and do some precision EQ afterwards to bring out certain frequencies of their voice. Make it a little more breathier or a little rounder. Of course it does have its negative affects but you try and find a happy medium. Its all part of using your gear to get what you want to achieve.

Danny
 
20:1 ratio!!! fek. I try and use as small a ratio of compression as possible, just enough to control the dynamics of drums for say. The more ratio the more lifeless the sound.
 
i dont necessarily agree that it always feels lifeless with alot of compression. and i may be exagerating too. but if i do use it at 20:1 its because it really sounds better than with it not 20:1. So its done its job.

But most of the time im down in 2:1 to 3:1 range unless im looking for something special. I dont usually use the 1176 plugin a dynamic controller too. If i really want dynamic control ill use something much more subtle and cleaner.

Danny
 
ecktronic said:
20:1 ratio!!! fek. I try and use as small a ratio of compression as possible, just enough to control the dynamics of drums for say. The more ratio the more lifeless the sound.

If you are using a craptacular compressor, then this is true. Quality compressors are defined by their great sound and the ability to compress heavily, yet gracefully.
 
darnold said:
i dont necessarily agree that it always feels lifeless with alot of compression. and i may be exagerating too. but if i do use it at 20:1 its because it really sounds better than with it not 20:1. So its done its job.


Danny

I suppose it really depends on the other settings og the compressor mainly the threshold. I mean if you are using a 20:1 ratio for say but with a threshold of only -3dB it really is just a soft limiter, which i suppose would be quite good for taming the peaks of drums.
 
personally, i don't mind the sound of heavy compression, depending on its use. i can't take too much of it for too long if it's on a prominent track in the mix since it gets fatiguing, but for contrast or effect (or to "fix it in the mix" - yeah, i know), i'll use compressor settings over 10 without hesitation. maybe i'd eq out some of the highs in the transients if they're cutting through too much.

when i started doing audio, i constantly read all the gripes against over-compression, and restrained myself quite a bit. that all changed when i compared a mix without, to a mix with heavy compression (on the master bus). the compressed version just sounded better. yeah, i'm sure a big part of it was the makeup gain, but things just filled out in a more even manner.

of course, maybe that first mix just sucked :D

darnold, what version of the 1176 plug in are you using? that's not the UAD is it? i've been at the verge of splurging for that card for a few months now.

-marcus
 
yah the uad 1 version.

whats funny is i love it on somethings but i dont like it on other things. some people use that 1176 on everything. I just feel the colors a little too aggressive on some things.

danny
 
oh yah, and i forgot to mention that usually when i do 20:1 im only grabbing the huge peaks that happen. just having the soft stuff just barely hitting it half the time. That can still be a little much some times but sometimes it really needs it.

danny
 
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