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Greg_L
Banned
That kurten guy was pretty awesome. I can see why you'd honor him. 
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Great recording. Lots of little details, love the synths! Totally sounds like Peter Murphy singing for Sisters of Mercy. 
Really dense mix in places, specially where the guitars come in. Really great ear candy from 3.00 - 3.15!
Really dense mix in places, specially where the guitars come in. Really great ear candy from 3.00 - 3.15!
kcearl
I see deaf people
kcearl
I see deaf people
Great recording. Lots of little details, love the synths! Totally sounds like Peter Murphy singing for Sisters of Mercy.
Really dense mix in places, specially where the guitars come in. Really great ear candy from 3.00 - 3.15!
Hey ff, yeah Tom liked that synth bit as well...when you dont have the talent for solos go weird
I hear the mix getting dense as well but ive no idea if thats a good thing or bad thing...as my guitar mixing and playing has been so limited until now I know its by far the weakest link...do you think it should be thinned? What would you do to thin it?
Thanks man
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Oh mang I dunno. I'm with recording like you claim to be with guitars... I only noticed cuz I heard some pumping around 2.30-2.40 but I'm pretty sure it was Windows Media Player choking a little, cuz it went away when I dropped the gain on the player. I got all excited and listened to that section 15 times hoping I had something useful for you, but no dice.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Oh mang I dunno. I'm with recording like you claim to be with guitars... I only noticed cuz I heard some pumping around 2.30-2.40 but I'm pretty sure it was Windows Media Player choking a little, cuz it went away when I dropped the gain on the player. I got all excited and listened to that section 15 times hoping I had something useful for you, but no dice.
lol, thanks for giving it a go bud
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Bulls Hit
Well-known member
Yep the vocals have Sisters of Mercy all over them. They sound great. The guitars are a bit fizzy. I find what sounds great in the room doesn't necessarily translate well in the mix. Backing off the gain can help. I like that guitar that comes in near the end. It's a cool track and a worthy collab
IndustrialOkie
Esoteric Order of R'lyeh
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
This is really well put together Keith. Sounds really good.
Did you fiddle with the kick at all? I've listened a few times over the last few days (never had a chance to comment - sorry!) and I thought the kick was oddly much busier in the beginning. This sounds tighter and better (unless you made no changes in which case I'm full of shit).
The distorted guitars sound somehow smaller than I suspect you want them too. Too much gritty gain perhaps? Not bad or anything, just not as powerful as I'd think you'd want.
The vocals were really well done as is the bass and all the other instrumentation. The vocals have the perfect lilt to them for this I think.
I am so biased against this era of music that it's difficult for me to be objective, but I did enjoy the track, even upon repeated listenings. Well done.
Did you fiddle with the kick at all? I've listened a few times over the last few days (never had a chance to comment - sorry!) and I thought the kick was oddly much busier in the beginning. This sounds tighter and better (unless you made no changes in which case I'm full of shit).
The distorted guitars sound somehow smaller than I suspect you want them too. Too much gritty gain perhaps? Not bad or anything, just not as powerful as I'd think you'd want.
The vocals were really well done as is the bass and all the other instrumentation. The vocals have the perfect lilt to them for this I think.
I am so biased against this era of music that it's difficult for me to be objective, but I did enjoy the track, even upon repeated listenings. Well done.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Thanks for the listens Pete...no your ears heard right, i removed and tidied up some beats...
I love Toms voice, im not keen on that era of music but some of the first dance music i listened to was born out of more guitar kinda groups...clock dva, psychic tv, revolting cocks etc
I think the guitars will be retracked at some point, the rough copy i sent to Tom sounded better that these do...i did some more this morning and they sounded just as bad...ive got some overdrive pedals coming and will record my real amp and see if that defeats the fizzyness, or else ill just use clean guitars and go for a slightly different sound
Im not going to be happy with substandard stuff after doing this for so long now, itll just take some learning
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say "substandard" as I'm not even 100% what that part calls for nor do I have a great frame of reference for your desired sound here.
You did those with amp sims? That's cool, but if you have a real amp and some pedals, mic 'er up and see what you get!
kcearl
I see deaf people
I have a couple of real amps, and im going to have to use them...i also used a tele when i shouldve use my LP copy...im sure i can get it but rather than fix the problem immediately i tried to fix it in the mix, for ages, now i cant listen to it just now
Thing is im experienced enough now to know when something's wrong, and thats half the battle
kcearl
I see deaf people
He does a good sisters
Yeah i get the fizzyness...much more difficult than i thought to get guitars sounding right...when it was just one track on its own they sounded better...i think layering slight fizz onto slight fizz eventually gives you full fizz
Thanks for listening mate
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Greg_L
Banned
I think you can get what you want with sims. By all means try your amps, but it's not like you're needing a classic holy-grail pure guitar tone. You're looking for an aggressive raunchy kind of sound. I think you just used the wrong guitar and maybe need to tweak a few settings in your sim program. Maybe use less guitar tracks. Not a big deal.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Yeah but i have a yearning to learn how to mic amps properly...and get away from just tweaking a preset. I think sims are absolutely fine if you know what youre doing with an amp, but im just shooting in the dark, i havent a clue...
The good thing is this can all be revisited and im not trying to make a rock album, when the parts are relatively small its easy to go back...good fun though, feels new
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Greg_L
Banned
Yeah but i have a yearning to learn how to mic amps properly...and get away from just tweaking a preset. I think sims are absolutely fine if you know what youre doing with an amp, but im just shooting in the dark, i havent a clue...
The good thing is this dan all be revisited and im not trying to make a rock album, when the parts are relatively small its easy to go back...good fun though, feels new
Yeah miking an amp can be a challenge and rewarding. Don't overthink it though. The same basic rules apply whether you're recording a big stadium rig or a small bedroom amp. Mic near the center of the speaker = bright. Mic near the edge = dark. Don't let the room influence your amp settings. Get your ginger head down near the speaker and see if you like what's coming out. When you do, mic it.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Strawberry blonde!!Yeah miking an amp can be a challenge and rewarding. Don't overthink it though. The same basic rules apply whether you're recording a big stadium rig or a small bedroom amp. Mic near the center of the speaker = bright. Mic near the edge = dark. Don't let the room influence your amp settings. Get your ginger head down near the speaker and see if you like what's coming out. When you do, mic it.
ido1957
9K Gold Member
Sounds like Bowie vocally, which is a good thing for me. Nice tone too. I glanced through the comments and I have no problems with the guitars, they have a tone all their own. I think they could be different but not necessarily better if that makes sense. Maybe a little louder. Anyway the synth work is as always fabulous. I thought the mix leaned to the right -otherwise I better go get my ears cleaned. lol.... Great job guys!
kcearl
I see deaf people
Man thats funny Gerry, I think Ive lost a little of the hearing in my right ear, even on phones i have to visually check some instruments to make sure theyre not accidentally panned left...i think the guitars definitely lean to the right so ill try balancing them a little more and give them a nudge in volume.
I know what you mean about sounding different, but these just dont sound right to me...theres a kind of chunk sound i was going for with the verse guitar and I think thats what im looking for...ill definitely redo these in the future but thanks for you positive comments, you get such good tones so its great to hear they dont make you wince as much as me
rayc
retroreprobate
The vocal is closer to David Sylvain than Bowie to my ears. Throw in some slippery fretless bass and you'd have a hard edged Japan.
The guitars sound better from the mid 3 minute mark.
It's really good fellows; I'm impressed.
Get some more hapening.
The guitars sound better from the mid 3 minute mark.
It's really good fellows; I'm impressed.
Get some more hapening.
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