OK - Trying to respond to the challenge to get some interesting songwriting threads going, I ask the following:
Who has tried to co-write and what success or horror stories can you share?
The best commercial success I've had involved songs I had co-written. Something about having more than one person can take a song in different (hopefully better) directions. The best results I had were working with someone who was mainly a lyricist with limited musical ability (but they had amazing drive were willing to knock on as many doors as it would take). They depended on me to help with the melody, harmony, rhythem and arrangement - and we had a good partnership with no real conflicts. Unfortunately, as soon as they learned a few chords on a Casio keyboard they suddenly thought they were the master of all things musical and they suddenly were resistant to any input (the old "my ideas are better" syndrome)
Think of all the great writing partners over the years and the body of work they collectively created. It seems many of those partnerships involved a lyricist and a musical composer (which perhaps prevented them from stepping on each others toes) - naturally Lennon/McCartney being an exception - and even then more often than not they wrote alone).
I have found that, finding a writing partner seems harder than finding a spouse. At least with a spouse there is normally a consensus about making a baby and the way to achieve it and what comes out is what comes out. However, when writers try to give birth to a song (thier baby) they may not agree on anything - and the end result is ...well often there is no end result.
I would love to find a local writing partner (who I could sit in a room with and trade ideas) who could/would give and take - but we writer's have such frail egos and it seems so hard to find people who can accept critique (and I'm as guity as anyone). While I consider myself a decent writer - I often hear a certain "sameness" to some things I write. I need fresh perspective.
So - anyone have any co-writting stories to share?
Who has tried to co-write and what success or horror stories can you share?
The best commercial success I've had involved songs I had co-written. Something about having more than one person can take a song in different (hopefully better) directions. The best results I had were working with someone who was mainly a lyricist with limited musical ability (but they had amazing drive were willing to knock on as many doors as it would take). They depended on me to help with the melody, harmony, rhythem and arrangement - and we had a good partnership with no real conflicts. Unfortunately, as soon as they learned a few chords on a Casio keyboard they suddenly thought they were the master of all things musical and they suddenly were resistant to any input (the old "my ideas are better" syndrome)
Think of all the great writing partners over the years and the body of work they collectively created. It seems many of those partnerships involved a lyricist and a musical composer (which perhaps prevented them from stepping on each others toes) - naturally Lennon/McCartney being an exception - and even then more often than not they wrote alone).
I have found that, finding a writing partner seems harder than finding a spouse. At least with a spouse there is normally a consensus about making a baby and the way to achieve it and what comes out is what comes out. However, when writers try to give birth to a song (thier baby) they may not agree on anything - and the end result is ...well often there is no end result.
I would love to find a local writing partner (who I could sit in a room with and trade ideas) who could/would give and take - but we writer's have such frail egos and it seems so hard to find people who can accept critique (and I'm as guity as anyone). While I consider myself a decent writer - I often hear a certain "sameness" to some things I write. I need fresh perspective.
So - anyone have any co-writting stories to share?