Classic Hip Hop Tools/Method

[peritus]

There is another current thread that touches on this topic... I figure it deserves its own thread...

So.... Please post any knowledge you have on this....

I am under the impression that a lot of the older style comes from samplers with low bit rates, stripped down loops (soul, jazz, etc), scratches, and no synths... But, in all honesty, I'm still a noob...The SP-1200 is a ledendary sampler for this purpose (See Pete Rock, and others, for details).

Here is a cool DJ Premier interview: http://community.sixshot.com/read.asp?id=44886

 

[peritus]

You can simulate the ol' school samplers by using samples that have a lower bit rate.. You can also take a sample and encode it to a low bit rate mp3, or any other like format (including wav), and then convert it back to a normal wav (for audio program compatibility)...

I had a link on this.. Don't know where it is, at the moment.


Here's the SP-1200 FAQ...
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jake2/base/love/faq.html

 

[peritus]

You can simulate the ol' school samplers by using samples that have a lower bit rate.. You can also take a sample and encode it to a low bit rate mp3, or any other like format (including wav), and then convert it back to a normal wav (for audio program compatibility)...

There is a program called aWave that is great for this... It can convert multiple files at once (as I understand it).... You can also use this program to prep computer audio files (i.e. WAV, AIFF), for direct transfer to many samplers (i.e. Akai, EMU, etc)...

http://www.fmjsoft.com/awframe.html

 

[peritus]

Drum Sampling

I've been dealing with this, recently.... Prepare for a rambling post....


I have a VERY large cache of 320 kbps MP3s, which I encoded personally from original CDs, using CDex (It's an awesome prog!)..... We're talking 68.8 gigabytes, from almost every genre imaginable....


All files have the following naming convention:
Artist\Album\Artist - Album - Track Number - Song Title.mp3

Here's an example:
2Pac\All Eyez On Me\2Pac - All Eyez On Me - 21 - Picture Me Rollin'.mp3

Please note that this particular album is a double disc, and that I choose to treat the second disc as an extension of the first (No subfolders for multiple discs)....


Movie soundtracks are treated, as follows:
Movie Soundtrack\Movie Title\Movie Soundtrack - Movie Title - Track Number - Artist - Song Title.mp3

Example:
Movie Soundtrack\Ray\Movie Soundtrack - Ray - 01 - Ray Charles - Mess Around.mp3

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You can use the main part of the following procedure, regardless of the medium from which you are sampling.
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Part One:

Browse, usually at random, my collection of music, via WinAmp.... Listen for a good break, some have been as simple as the stick sounds from a count-off...

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Part Two:

Right click on the file and open it in Audacity.

Trim the break, making sure to mind my zero-crossings.

Edit the resulting file, which is hardly ever a loop, so that there is a organization about the hits.

Example:
Snares > Kicks > High Hats > Open Hats > Sticks > Etc (More on this, later.)


Export the resulting WAV file, without normalizing, into a folder entitled, "Source Files".
Drum Hunt\Source Files\Artist - Album - Track Number - Song Title (Drums - Break Number).wav


Example:
Drum Hunt\Source Files\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Drums - 001).wav

This way, if I ever need to trace the sounds back to their original creator (sample-clearing, wink), I can do so instantly...

Close the Audacity session, without saving.

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Part Three:

Open the WAV file, in Propellerhead's ReCycle.

Set the quanity of bars to 1.

Tweak the slicing points of each hit.

Depending on the goal, choose one of the following:

1. Forget normalizing. (If the break should stay "natural".)
2. Normalize the entire file. (If the break should stay "natural", but needs volume.)
3. Normalize each slice. (If each hit is rightfully usable, on its own.)

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Part Four:

Here's where the re-sequencing of the hits comes into to play.

Set ReCycle's loop points ("L" and "R"), so that they surround a certain hit-flavor (i.e Snares, Kicks).

Go to the File menu and select Export.

Save the sequence of files as:
Drum Hunt\Hit-Flavor\Artist - Album - Track Number - Song Title (Hit-Flavor - Break Number).wav

Example:
Drum Hunt\Kicks\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Kicks - 001).wav


ReCycle will automatically number the hits:
Drum Hunt\Hit-Flavor\Artist - Album - Track Number - Song Title (Hit-Flavor - Break Number) Hit Number.wav

Example (of clicking export, one time):
Drum Hunt\Kicks\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Kicks - 001) 001.wav
Drum Hunt\Kicks\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Kicks - 001) 002.wav
Drum Hunt\Kicks\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Kicks - 001) 003.wav
Drum Hunt\Kicks\Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - 02 - Girl From The North Country (Kicks - 001) 004.wav

Set the loop points for the next hit-flavor, and repeat until they've all been saved.

You can save the REX2 file, if you want. I don't, because I retain the original WAV.

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That's the biz!

Hope I'm making sense with this. I know my post is a little complicated. Sorry bout that. If you stick with it though, it works, AND VERY WELL!

 

[jibran]

2Pac\All Eyez On Me\2Pac - All Eyez On Me - 21 - Picture Me Rollin'.mp3

I live by that song and Only God Can Judge Me.

RIP (Ride in Peace) Makaveli the Don

 

[peritus]

I live by that song and Only God Can Judge Me.

RIP (Ride in Peace) Makaveli the Don

Can the hoes see me from here?

 

[jibran]

huh? Are you referring to the whole "I wanna make sure you can see me" part at the end?

What I follow about the track is the fact that it's like a middle finger to the world and since I've been hated on my whole life...

-The Deen

 

[peritus]

huh? Are you referring to the whole "I wanna make sure you can see me" part at the end?

What I follow about the track is the fact that it's like a middle finger to the world and since I've been hated on my whole life...

-The Deen

[2Pac speaks while Danny Boy keeps singing]
Heheheheheheh
Is y'all ready for me?
Picture me rollin roll call
You know there's some muh'fuckers out there I just could not forget about
I wanna make sure they can see me
Number one on my list: Clinton Correctional Facilities
All you bitch ass C.O.'s
Can you niggaz see me from there?
Ballin on y'all punk ass, ahhaahahah!
Picture me rollin, baby
Yeah, all them niggaz up in them cell blocks
I told y'all niggaz when I come home it's on
Hmm, that's right nigga, picture me rollin
Oh, I forgot! The D.A.
Yeah, that bitch had a lot to talk about in court
Can the hoe see me from here?
Can you see me, hoe?
Picture me rollin
And all you punk police -- can you see me?
Am I clear to you?
Picture me rollin nigga, legit
Free like O.J. all day
You can't stop me
You know I got my niggaz up in this motherfucker
Manute, Pain, Syke, ?, Mopreme, ??
Can you picture us rollin?
Can you see me hoe? Hehehe
Is y'all ready for me? .. We up out this bitch
Any time y'all wanna see me again
Rewind this track right here, close your eyes
and picture me rollin

 

[myparents]

WhaT UP

There is another current thread that touches on this topic... I figure it deserves its own thread...

So.... Please post any knowledge you have on this....

I am under the impression that a lot of the older style comes from samplers with low bit rates, stripped down loops (soul, jazz, etc), scratches, and no synths... But, in all honesty, I'm still a noob...The SP-1200 is a ledendary sampler for this purpose (See Pete Rock, and others, for details).

Here is a cool DJ Premier interview: http://community.sixshot.com/read.asp?id=44886[/QUOTEJ

Just wanted to add that alot of theses samples are sampled in at a high bit rate, however they were sampled from vinyl;this is why the resolution sounds low . Surely samples have been loaded up a multitude of ways . Like you illustrated Peritus CD, cassette, computer, ect. I gotta check that software out though, b/c i got so much music on this damn computer. And we all know file management is one of the most important task when recording with computers.

 

[jibran]

Yep; that's the part of the song I meant.