Church Praise Teams - personnel issues

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i just wish people wouldn't continue bringing up the subject!

i'd never ask for an atheïst profane guitar amp.

i have a new guitar too by the way.

it's called : mandolin :D and i'm already on the lookout for the 'octave' version of it. apparantly there's an irish folk instrument that's just that : same tuning, unison double strings and one octave lower.
 
fader,
I'd love to get my brain around a mandolin. At present I use a capo on my 12 string & fake it. If I use some effects it makes a passable fake but is no where near the real thing.
What is the tuning of a mandolin anyway?
 
rayc said:
fader,
I'd love to get my brain around a mandolin. At present I use a capo on my 12 string & fake it. If I use some effects it makes a passable fake but is no where near the real thing.
What is the tuning of a mandolin anyway?
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well the funny thing is it's tuned EADG ... but the other way around! so G is the bass and E the high string. that means that the same note can be found on the 7'th fret of the next string in stead of the 5'th and the octave is on the 5'th and not 7'th!!!
do i make myself clear?

go for it!!! it took me a very short while to get used to the alt tuning, feels more natural in a way.
 
Praise Team is a term used in many CC church’s to describe the combination of musicians and vocalists who perform during services. Many such groups also have an actual band name that appears on the weekly handout and in other church documents (web site) to describe the different music groups that are part of the church. Larger churches may have 2-3 such groups to cover the different services held each week.

Many CC services include the praise team band and dual large screen projection systems, usually power point based. These carry lyrics, video clips, and details of sermon notes used throughout the service. Many traditional churches also use this as a way to avoid having hymnals everywhere and offer the option to use new music, which won’t be found in older hymnals.

Stage presence becomes a real factor in some CC services, especially the larger ones, with specialized lighting and large stages to accommodate many people. Saddleback in CA is a good example, where they tend to have a praise band, a set of multiple vocalists, a full choir, and full orchestra, all on same stage. I believe their weekly attendance is around 15,000.

Leadership of CC groups varies by church. Larger churches tends to have full time paid staff, and quite often paid musicians. Smaller churches tend to rely more on volunteers for all participants. Most seem to have a separate rehearsal during the week, then a run through of music before the weekly services. A typical service involves 4 songs, with the first song sometimes being played as both the opener and closer.

Ed
 
It is also worthwhile to point out a few other considerations in CC music.

First consider a regular secular band of weekend warriors who play most every Friday and/or Saturday night at clubs and parties. Such groups tend to have perhaps 3-6 members and might easily play four 15 song sets each night. That’s about 60 songs. Many weeks include many of the same songs in the set list. The combination of rehearsal and gigs provides a lot of practice for the same songs, with the same people, and consistency can become very good.

A church praise group may include 8-15 people. Many weeks it is a different subset of total personal involved. They may have a song list of say 100 songs, but only play about 4 songs a week. Many of the people may have no other musical involvement during the week/month. The frequency with which a given song is played in measures in months. Consistency become harder and spontaneity more difficult to handle, as you really do want the songs to sound together.

The result is that management of music and songs, as well as the people involved, becomes somewhat different in a CC setting, before you even consider the fact that this is a church environment usually including mostly volunteers.

Ed
 
faderbug said:
all this religious shit scares the hell out of me!!!

i'm in moderate liberal belgium looking at the world becoming insanely fundamentalist. in my own city fundamentalist pakistani muslims started a riot at an islamic moroccan music and dance fest because music and dance is unclean and an instrument of the devil!

that scared me.

now i read that their adversaries the american protestants - who i suppose are defenders of the free world and democracy - share those ideas.

that scares me even more.
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Umm... yeah, that's definitely not universally true. Music rocks (well, the Belgians can have our rap and country ;)), I like dancing, and I also happen to be American and Christian (protestant, specifically). And no, I'm not even a Republican!

Don't be so scared. :)
 
Oh, and what mandolin did you get? I've thought about getting one - such a unique sound.
 
johnny5dm said:
Umm... yeah, that's definitely not universally true. Music rocks (well, the Belgians can have our rap and country ;)), I like dancing, and I also happen to be American and Christian (protestant, specifically). And no, I'm not even a Republican!

Don't be so scared. :)
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it's an ibanez and it's incredible value for the money!!!



well, i was raised catholic and my believes and values probably go back to that upbringing so i guess you could call me 'catholic'.

i see god as a product of man though and not the other way around.

and it is a fact that fundamentalists and extremists around the globe share the same ideas, no matter what side of the spectrum they're on.

he who isn't scared doesn't understand what's going on.
 
faderbug said:
i just wish people wouldn't continue bringing up the subject!

i'd never ask for an atheïst profane guitar amp.

i have a new guitar too by the way.

it's called : mandolin :D and i'm already on the lookout for the 'octave' version of it. apparantly there's an irish folk instrument that's just that : same tuning, unison double strings and one octave lower.
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Don't read the posts if they offend your sensibilities.
 
macmoondoggie said:
Don't read the posts if they offend your sensibilities.
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i'm certain you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
I tried to give God my musical abilities and He didn't seeem interested.

Seriously, though, we've got some outstanding musicians. I can't even jam with them because they play so far over my head.
 
Can I just ask? Do any of you belong to a "Mega Church"? It's completely prejudicial, but when I hear about them, it seems a little sinister. I appreciate the sense of community, but I would think people wouldn't want to be in a giant church but for really weird reasons. Wouldn't it be preferrable to have smaller localized meetings than a AAA baseballs stadium sized crowd when you're "getting your Jesus on"?

I am not running it down. I just think that it would turn people off and the size of a congregation would be self-limiting because of it. Maybe I am missing something really cool about it. Am I?
 
There are two CC threads here. One, this one, basically deals with personel issues and how they are handled in different churches. The other deals with more basic issues and GOD subject in general.

Ed
 
Ed Dixon said:
There are two CC threads here. One, this one, basically deals with personel issues and how they are handled in different churches. The other deals with more basic issues and GOD subject in general.

Ed
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And it's in the guitar forum because...
 
apl said:
And it's in the guitar forum because...
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Many guitar players here are involved with CC services. This thread allows them to exchange their ideas and experiences in that area.

For example, one finds a much higher percentage of CC guitar players use Line 6 Variax guitars as compared to external bands.

There are also considerable differences in both style and gear used for the different types of venues.

Ed
 
Play'n music at church is not easy. There will always be people that have there idea about how church music show go. The way we do it, is find the songs that we can all do are thing on. We have mixed ages in our group. Music styles clash. Which in the end is not a bad thing. Our keyboard player only reads notes, and others and I just write out the the songs in chord charts. Most important, if God isn't there then it is not going to happen.
 
gcapel said:
Play'n music at church is not easy. There will always be people that have there idea about how church music show go. The way we do it, is find the songs that we can all do are thing on. We have mixed ages in our group. Music styles clash. Which in the end is not a bad thing. Our keyboard player only reads notes, and others and I just write out the the songs in chord charts. Most important, if God isn't there then it is not going to happen.
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same for the sound guy.
 
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