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gullyjewelz

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Thanksgiving. Turkey and dressing, pumpkin pie and football. Parents going to schools to see their children in plays about grateful pilgrims and their Indian benefactors. The age old tale of the Indians bringing food to feed the starving pilgrims.

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble but that story is a lie. One started to cover what really happened all those years ago.

The real story was reserached by William B. Newell, former chairman of the University of Connecticut Anthropology Department. His sources included Documents of Holland, 13 volume colonial documentary History, letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the King of England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson who was the British Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years. Here is what Newell discovered about the "day of thanksgiving".

The year was 1637...700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe gathered for their annual "Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn.

While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercenaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building.

The next day, the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A day of thanksgiving" thanking god that they had eliminated over 700 men, women and children. For the next 100 years, every "thanksgiving day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking god that the battle had been won.

Not exactly the happy gathering that everyone has been led to believe that it was. Instead of giving thanks for being alive, they were giving thanks for killing 700 people.

Before anyone starts looking for rope to string me up with, let me say that I don't want thanksgiving outlawed. This holiday is now a time to spend with family and loved ones and that is important, but so is telling the truth.

When you are gathered at that table laden with food...with family and friends gathered around it....look at that turkey...the food...the drink....and get a mental picture of what really happened back then....then say your prayers.
 
The year was 1637...
Nah, the one we usually romanticize occurred in 1621, in Massachusetts, and involved the Wampanoag tribe.

I agree with you that there was (and is) lots of abuse of weaker people by stronger people in this world.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Don
 
Secretly Thanksgiving was about the discovery through that brutal act (one repeated in various ways & means to almost any indigenous people by an invading - sorry, missionary/sould saving - accidentally natural resource discovering & aquiring- force) of pop corn.
Sorry had to make a joke - the truth is too common, too whitewashed by history & not too funny (as is my joke).
 
This sounds like an urban legend cooked up by some of the damndest liberal wackos that I've ever heard of.
 
Sure as shit...didn't take me long. Of course, this is a real article written by someone with a real Ph.D, so it will probably not be read by anyone. But considering the original post is straight off the website of the American Indian Movement (the Leonard Peltier apologists), I think my original reaction was spot on.
 
It seems to me that what's more important today is what Thanksgiving has evlved into, not what it was 400 years ago. We don't celebrate or give thanks to the slaughter of natives now...well, at least, most of us don't. That in itself is something to be thankful for.

The fact is, the idea of a fall celebration for giving thanks for bounty long predates the 1600s. It's right up there with Christmas and Easter as having it's roots in agriculture and astronomy, not with any religion or Western world event. It's all about (or at least originally was) being thankful for the harvest and it's potential to sustain us through the winter months. The modern idea of "Thanksgiving" was more overlaying a New World spin on a centuries-old tradition than anything else.

G.
 
Thanksgiving. Turkey and dressing, pumpkin pie and football. Parents going to schools to see their children in plays about grateful pilgrims and their Indian benefactors. The age old tale of the Indians bringing food to feed the starving pilgrims.

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble but that story is a lie. One started to cover what really happened all those years ago.

The real story was reserached by William B. Newell, former chairman of the University of Connecticut Anthropology Department. His sources included Documents of Holland, 13 volume colonial documentary History, letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the King of England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson who was the British Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years. Here is what Newell discovered about the "day of thanksgiving".

The year was 1637...700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe gathered for their annual "Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn.

While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercenaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building.

The next day, the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A day of thanksgiving" thanking god that they had eliminated over 700 men, women and children. For the next 100 years, every "thanksgiving day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking god that the battle had been won.

Not exactly the happy gathering that everyone has been led to believe that it was. Instead of giving thanks for being alive, they were giving thanks for killing 700 people.

Before anyone starts looking for rope to string me up with, let me say that I don't want thanksgiving outlawed. This holiday is now a time to spend with family and loved ones and that is important, but so is telling the truth.

When you are gathered at that table laden with food...with family and friends gathered around it....look at that turkey...the food...the drink....and get a mental picture of what really happened back then....then say your prayers.

Why should I care? Why does anyone care? It was hundreds of years ago, and Thanksgiving is a whole new entity. Why do people continually try to shoot down traditions? Last I checked, noone is actually celebrating the killing of indans. Am I supposed to feel guilty as I suck down turkey and watch football all day with my family? Not a chance. Bring on the nap!
 
I wish we had thanksgiving here. Instead I have to go to stupid work and take shit from stupid customers whilst being fucked over by my stupid friends.

Fuck being English! :mad:
 
Legionserial - I love your succinct definition of Englishness & the English condition.

At least it's not the grey life of 1946 - 1960 when all the energy & money was turned to paying off the US for their help in WWII (now that was a long Thanksgiving!) - Lend Lease became long lease.

Nor is it the energy sapping Thatchereighties.

Mind you some excellent music was generated by the miserable conditions both times.

Perhaps you could metamorphosise your peevedness into rock!

Our Thanksgiving is Australia Day when we give thanks for Cook's brilliance in navigation and exploration, his audacity in breaking international law by claiming NSW despite it being inhabited, and his, oft forgotten, compassion and angst/regret for those he claimed empirial dominion over.

Oh & we thanks the Old Dart for making us a receptical for the poor, forgotten, scared, huddled masses - oh, that's NY isn't it?
 
perhaps we'll never truely know what happened... it's always been one of the big problems with history... seems it's always written by the victor... and may have little to do with what's right.... personnaly i've always kinda had it in for columbus.... face it the ass was lost....
 
The real question I have is whether those colonists of 1637 enjoyed leftover Pequot sandwiches for a week after???

G.
 
Legionserial - I love your succinct definition of Englishness & the English condition.

At least it's not the grey life of 1946 - 1960 when all the energy & money was turned to paying off the US for their help in WWII (now that was a long Thanksgiving!) - Lend Lease became long lease.

Nor is it the energy sapping Thatchereighties.
You forgot the general strike, three day week and TUC walkouts during the opec oil crisis in the seventies. Powercuts, sitting round candles doing homework, happy days....
 
& the coal strike, the Poll tax riots etc - yep forgot the lot - didn't have to live through it m'self though.
As for me - I don't like turkey - or at least haven't eaten a decently cooked one.
 
It seems to me that what's more important today is what Thanksgiving has evlved into, not what it was 400 years ago. We don't celebrate or give thanks to the slaughter of natives now...well, at least, most of us don't. That in itself is something to be thankful for.

Well dammit - I had heard the story that after the nice sitdown between the two peoples, there was a lot of bloodshed, but if what the OP says is true, two weeks ago when we held a dinner for 15 friends, I should've waited til everyone was seated, then burned the building down in celebration!!

I know what I'm doing next Thanksgiving :D
 
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