Check out some of my home recordings, please

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I know streams sound like poo but check out "Mini-Ranch" and "I'll be your radar", my first post 4 track recordings. I made this stuff solo and w/ one mic, so some of the elements suffer from that, (drums!). Mini-Ranch is kinda electro-post rockish, and I'll be your radar's kinda electro-acoustic-noise rock; not what usually is going up around here but I figure everyone's opinion matters, so have at it!

oh yeah, and ignore the preview tracks, please, I know they sound awful and off beat/key, those are very early versions of newer stuff, listen at your own risk!
 
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um, after reading more and more of the critiques here I'm starting to figure out why no ones critiquing this. compared to most of this stuff it's unabashedly home made! What can I say, I'm broke ass, and appericiate the production of Jesus and Mary Chain just as much as Fourtet; I see people have viewed this, but no replies. I'd like better for people to go ahead and tell me what you think, and you don't have to go into detail if you don't want. If it's not your kind of thing, just say so, if you just can't get past the production, say so, or if you just think I suck, well, say so :D

believe me, I've posted this stuff on garageland and lived to tell about it..
 
All I can tell you is, I kept waiting for music, and all I heard was, well, noise. I don't know what you were trying to do, but it wasn't very aurally pleasing, at least to me.
 
and what prey tell would you consider music? lemme hear one of your 'jump offs', please! :rolleyes:

honestly people, I'm ok with critism, but not elitism. Just be 'cause it's not vocal masterbation over v/c v/c, doesn't mean it's not music. there's other kinds of music out there other than 'rock'.

I think what you meant to say was, this isn't my kind of thing and the production is way noisey.
 
sicvita said:
and what prey tell would you consider music? lemme hear one of your 'jump offs', please! :rolleyes:

honestly people, I'm ok with critism, but not elitism. Just be 'cause it's not vocal masterbation over v/c v/c, doesn't mean it's not music. there's other kinds of music out there other than 'rock'.

I think what you meant to say was, this isn't my kind of thing and the production is way noisey.
No, I said what I mean. But I don't want to get into a pissing contest about it. I didn't like it. Take that for what it is...
 
Well, I'll say this. Judging by your tastes (discerned from comments of praise in regards to some of this boring hard-alterna rock kicking around here), your opinion collectively adds up to meaning nothing to me.

I am actually a fine art music student, (in my junior year. NC School of the arts) and what I can tell you is that if you listened to mini-ranch it is indeed music. It has a steady rhythm, and stays within it's scale. I admit the melodies don't firm up and repeat until the ending, but this kind of music is best suited for repeated listening. See a non repeated melody initically may sound obtuse, but when heard in the contexted of a song multiple times, your mind builds what could be called a 'melodic memory' of it, and after this happens, the melodic line gains the fimilarity that most songs aspire for by repeating the same 3 or for bit line over and over. If you want me to go into the music theory behind it, ask further and I will; but seriously I just think your comment was crass, just unwarranted elitism, and you know whats 'music' and what isn't, so I do not need to. To say to another musician that he's not even making 'music', is the greatest insult to pay, and you lost all respect as soon as you said that.

"I'll be your radar" is pure IDM experimentation, I really wouldn't expect people here to understand it's musical statement unless you've been exposed to modern free jazz and noise rock outfits such as black dice and wolf eyes. It's all in time, some things don't melodically add up, but that wasn't the intent; soft child like sounds (bells, harps, music box pharses) are juxtopozed against harsh, thick feedback, asian percussion and strings mix with modern western elements; The songs all about the juxtopozitioning of all cultures of music against each other made possible only via modern technology. It's not really music as much as it is sound/noise collage. It has a structure, albiet an informal on, and a climax, though it does end mid sine wave, it's not my proudest moment but I think it still works.

We have the ability to hear music from all around the world, from all time periods, and I think it's time we begin to use that privilage, as I'm sure many earlier would have loved to have been able to do. I feel it is better to take elements and blend them than to just replecate what has already been done, so there's my thesis behind the musical collage.

Actually I'm very saddened by the dumbing of americian culture, and our vein societies inability to cope with music working outside of the pop song structure; If people would only realize that Philip Glass and Brian Eno have done just as much, if not more for music than the beatles or nirvana ever did, the world would be a better place. I have actual fans, who like my 'music' and I have art galleries and venue owners asking me to put together a live show, so there is still a demand for avant garde music, though it dwindles every year. Long story short I don't need your validation on if I make music or not.

My music has been inspired by composers Such as Steve Reich, Glenn Branca, Robin Lilburn and modern artist such as The Books, Polmo Polpo, godspeed you! black emperor, black dice etc. I suggest you look these artist up to gain a better understanding of this genre of MUSIC. Again, this is 'music', just a type of music you understand nothing about, and it's really 'just not your thing'.
 
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It's 3am and I'm listening on a set of ATH-M40fs but I'm digging "miniranch". You've got a lot going on in there. I'll come back to this in the morning and have a proper listen. I'm getting flavours of early Spiritualised stuff....maybe even Lemonjelly

Yeah, cool tunage

I like
 
yay, thanks, i'm pretty new to this site and rokket was giving me a pretty off putting vibe, but you give me hope. Spiritualized is actually one of the artist I dug at the time of consceptualizing this, neat how you picked that up.
 
If you don't need my or anyone's validation, why did you post your music in the clinic? You want me to comment on the mix, I will.


It's a little in my face. By that, I mean that certain parts were just too loud, and almost jarring. You need to take the levels down a bit, and get the various parts to compliment each other, as it seems that each random part is fighting for space with the rest of them. You need to take some of the high's and some of the mids out of the freq range, as that is what is causing it to be jarring. Mixing takes time to master. There are plenty of really talented musicians out there who can't mix. It's a separate skill. Along with good ears, you need to have a basic understanding of not just music theory, but how frequency ranges affect each other, and how to mix so that each instrument (or track) can be heard independent of the other, and still sound unified. You are not there yet. I am not there yet, but that's why we come here. To get critiques on our mixes so that we can get better at it.
I just didn't like what was coming out of my speakers. It's not my fault. And it's not yours. I was just the only one who had the curtesy of posting my comments. Good or bad, that's all I did.

I feel taht you need more focus on melody. I know this is avant garde, but basic music still needs melody.

Now on to your comments. While I don't like the fact that you think you know the kind of person I am, and have grouped me with the sort you have come in contact with, I am not going to get into a "my dick is bigger than yours" argument with you. Your comments are childish, and you obviously feel a need to defend what you did. That tells me a lot of things.
You don't know me, and there are those on this board who will tell you that I am a really nice guy most of the time, and not known for berating or "elitist" comments or thinking. I have been exposed to almost every genre of music. I appreciate art, and I also appreciate musicians who put an honest effort into what they are doing, even if it's not my personal taste.

I am sorry that I hurt your feelings. I certainly didn't aim to. I was just being blunt. I didn't like it, but then again, when I post songs up here, I also run into those who don't like what I do. It's no big deal. People are entitled to their opinions. I am entitleld to mine.

The wise thing to do is brush it off, and hope that someone will post a comment to stroke your ego. I won't do that. We are home recorders, not celebrities. You wanted thoughts on your recording, and I gave you mine.

And you attacked me for it, telling me that I don't know what I am talking about and throwing your college education in my face. I don't care about that. It means nothing when you post something like this.

And I get tired of the "you just don't understand it, that's why you down it."

What's to understand about something that hurts my ears to listen to.

This is enough. This is probably the longest post I have ever done in the last 1500 + that I have on here. I didn't like it, you didn't like my comment. Leave it at that, and just go make more music and have fun with it. That's what is important in the long run.

Once again, if my comments were harsh, I apologize for that. But I won't apologize for not "getting it". Or for not liking it.
 
Just a quick word from the wise.....

Opinions around here are like arseholes, everybody has one and a lot of them stink. Duck the punches and roll with the rest. It's your music after all.

It's a shame there's such negativity in here at times between "engineers" and "artists". Yes, it's all about recording on here but a lot of us are recording ourselves....we all have to start somewhere. I myself don't usualy bite at the "here's my band, tell me how good we are" posts. I'll listen to a song and comment on the mix.......I'm not gonna comment on a mix I just listened to on a set of cans but I liked what I was hearing and look forward to digging into it more tomorrow with the monitors cranked up a bit. :)
 
I didn't like it. At all.
Someone owes me 4 minutes of my life back...
 
Rokket said:
Along with good ears, you need to have a basic understanding of not just music theory, but how frequency ranges affect each other, and how to mix so that each instrument (or track) can be heard independent of the other, and still sound unified. You are not there yet. I am not there yet, but that's why we come here.


That's a CLASSIC! Rokket, if your ears aren't there yet how can you tell if his are/arent?

LMFAO! :D

Gotta love this place
 
turn it down, you do realize that if a songs 5 and a half minutes long, then to accurately judge it you should hear the song from beginning to end. the 'climax doesn't even happen til minute 4, so you kind just read a short story and stopped at the last sentence, even though the whole point of the story was to slowly build to that last sentence.
 
Just picked up on this thread and am compelled to make a comment.....

It's seems to me that sicvita wasn't really looking for recording tips by posting these links, but rather a reason to jump off himself. Don't get me wrong, I probably simpathize with your musical perspective more than most people on this board, but were you not prodding for a reaction from those you already assumed narrow in their tastes? Now my band is decidedly more straightforward, least "avant" (dare I say more traditional in a pop music sense?) then your two postings, but I come to this board for one thing alone: insight into recording gear and techniques. The focus here should be on process, not necessarily taste.

Now to deviate completely: I think you lack a little (historical) perspective about what you consider "pop" structures. Lyrical music in the traditional sense has been the dominant form of musical and poetic communication in a great many cultures for many centuries. It is not the sole creation of vain (not "vein") American culture. Even non-melodic, beat driven indigenous musics had plenty of what today would be known as pop structure. What you're doing I guess could be called "aural compositions" not lyrical poetry; and here's where your own elitism reveals itself. :rolleyes: The Beatles will always be more revered in our culture than Eno or Philip Glass because their creations were more accessible, less esoteric, anb spoke more directly both lyically and musically to the fundamental concerns of the majority. Some, like myself, consider much of the Beatles' music and aesthetic simpleminded, naive, and sometimes straight trivial, but their impact on fans and detractors was far greater than those you cited ever will be. Does this make them more important? I'd say so. Hitler was probably more important than Harry Hopkins historically, right? (bad metaphor) :eek:

Anyway, the two tracks you posted are ok from a compostition standpoint, although it seems you're repeating the same tired formula as a band like godspeed; how many records has that band made and their only legacy up to this point is a bunch of aural swell strewn with hacknied politcal vagueries. :eek:

Cheers!
 
LemonTree said:
That's a CLASSIC! Rokket, if your ears aren't there yet how can you tell if his are/arent?

LMFAO! :D

Gotta love this place
Because his mix is where mine was when I first started. Come on, let's not turn this into a pissing contest like Bazzlad's thread.

Dude, I apologize completely for my comments. It was fresh idea that was just not to my liking. Perhaps you will post something in the future that will do it for me. This doesn't. I may have been a little quick to say it was not music. My opinion and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbuck's, right?

Keep doing what you are doing. You have an audience and fans. May the day come that you make a song that will include me as one.
 
rokket, I apologize if I offened you too. From one musician to another I think you know why I was slightly pissed to have some one tell me what I was doing wasn't even music.

. This is my first digital recording ever, and this is a streamed MP3, and I admit it is red-lining at points and your sig says you listen over cheap speakers, so I can see why it would sound the way you described. It sounds pretty nice on head phones or over well rounded speakers, but my g/f's got crap speakers in her car and it sounds like straight trash, that happens. I'm talking with some Cooledit users on that board as to how to work on clarity and the mid's being too thick right now as well. As far as melody weakness, I think that just comes with repeated listens, the melodies are modest here, and rarely repeat, so it takes a few listens for your melodic memory to grow fimilar to whats going on. anyway, to each his own, good luck with your music brotha.
 
sicvita said:
rokket, I apologize if I offened you too. But I'm just suprised how you fail to see how you incited a childish response through being childish yourself. From one musician to another I think you know why I was slightly pissed to have some one tell me that what I do is not music, I shouldn't have to explain that, that is obviously just being harsh, elitist, close minded, childish, whatever you wanna call it. Maybe next time I should ask for constructive responces please. This is my first digital recording ever, and this is a streamed MP3, and I admit it is red-lining at points and your sig says you listen over cheap speakers, so I can see why it would sound the way you described. It sounds pretty nice on head phones or over well rounded speakers, but my g/f's got crap speakers in her car and it sounds like straight trash, that happens. I'm talking with some Cooledit users on that board as to how to work on clarity and the mid's being too thick right now as well. As far as melody weakness, I think that just comes with repeated listens, the melodies are modest here, and rarely repeat, so it takes a few listens for your melodic memory to grow fimilar to whats going on. anyway, to each his own, good luck with your music brotha.

Well put, and here's a tip: never mix with headphones, because even the best have serious flaws, that being the speakers in them are right next to your ears, so everything is enhanced. This sounds like a good thing, but think about it: since sound travels, it changes slightly as it does, so if you mix on headphones, then listen on your home stereo, it's not going to sound as good. A good trick is to burn a CD-RW (so that you can erase it later), then take the mix to as many different sound sources as possible: your home stereo, the car, a little boom box... Then take notes as to what stands out as bad in each one, and go back and tweek it.
As far as the drums you recorded, the one mic thing really shows. It may be worth your while to look into sampling drums instead of trying to single mic your drum set. It will give you a much fuller sound, and you can pan toms and such.

Good luck with your future endeavors. I look forward to what you will come up with.
Rokket
 
Rokket said:
Because his mix is where mine was when I first started.


I expect most mixes you listen to on your "cheap PC speakers" are still where you were at where you started. If you're gonna comment on a mix, atleast have a half decent monitoring chain and a semi-treated acoustic space to do it from.

Would you test drive a car without getting into it? I'm not ripping into anyone here, I just think the clinic could do with taking a big chill pill sometimes

peace.
 
Out of fairness, I listened to "Mini-Ranch" through headphones. I think if you took the drums out, or just played a little bit on the floor toms (around the 2:50 mark), you have a very etheral soundtrack thing going on. The cymbal crashes at about 4:00 need some compression to bring them out a bit (and take out some of the high freq's).
You're right, it sounds good in headphones, thus, the need for my advice in the previous post...

Rokket
 
LemonTree said:
I expect most mixes you listen to on your "cheap PC speakers" are still where you were at where you started. If you're gonna comment on a mix, atleast have a half decent monitoring chain and a semi-treated acoustic space to do it from.

Would you test drive a car without getting into it? I'm not ripping into anyone here, I just think the clinic could do with taking a big chill pill sometimes

peace.
I was mixing on my cheap pc speakers when I started out. I've come a long way since then. I put that in my signature because most of my time on the board is when I am at work, and cheap pc speakers is all I have to listen on. That is why I don't comment on mixing as much as I do about the overall song. I don't want any more ripping either, so peace to you, LemonTree...
 
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