Cheap tuner?

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I've used the Boss TU-2, and keep a TU-12 in my gig bag for jams(not to mention all the other brands I've owned). If you really want to hear the difference, you have to try a Peterson Strobostomp. It is REALLY amazing how much better my guitars sound. They are not cheap, but they are worth every penny. I have one on each of my pedalboards, and would sell just about any other piece of gear before I got rid of them. If there is any way to save up for one of these it will absolutely amaze you in how much better your guitar sounds. If you are local to NW NJ, drop me a line and we'll do a set-up with one and let you hear the difference. ;) :D
 
The best tuner is also the best; a tuning fork and your ear. The fork is like 8 bucks, and your ear is free.

Can't beat that.

Pretty useless for intonation, but then so is anything less than a strobe tuner at $250.


Light

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Light said:
The best tuner is also the best; a tuning fork and your ear. The fork is like 8 bucks, and your ear is free.

Try that in the middle of a song ;)
 
Light said:
Pretty useless for intonation, but then so is anything less than a strobe tuner at $250.

You can use a fork and your ears for intonation, you just can't do it for a living because it takes a loooooong time.
 
Codmate said:
Try that in the middle of a song ;)


My ear works fine in the middle of a song.


Light

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I just bought a Conn Strobotuner on ebay for 25 bucks + shipping. It's an older model, the one in the brown case, and is "untested and sold in 'as is' condition", but if it works or is economically repairable, I got a screaming deal. If not, well, I'm only out 30 bucks. Film at eleven.
 
ggunn said:
I just bought a Conn Strobotuner on ebay for 25 bucks + shipping. It's an older model, the one in the brown case, and is "untested and sold in 'as is' condition", but if it works or is economically repairable, I got a screaming deal. If not, well, I'm only out 30 bucks. Film at eleven.


Followup: In reviewing my PayPal/eBay stuff, it seems that I actually got it for $10.75 - the rest is shipping and insurance. Too good to be true? Probably, but for 10 bucks, how could I not go for it?

It had a starting bid (by the seller, I guess) of $9 or so, and I was the only bidder. The seller had good numbers, and the item, although listed "as is" had no disclaimer of it not working. I don't understand why nobody else bid on it, but hey, I'm not complaining.
 
So, does it work?

the Conn was THE standard for many years...while we peons were using tuning forks, the big dogz were using Conns.
 
lpdeluxe said:
the Conn was THE standard for many years...while we peons were using tuning forks, the big dogz were using Conns.

Your question - does it work? I dunno yet, I just did the PayPal thing a minute ago, and it's being shipped from upstate New York. I'll definitely post the result here, and if it works you'll hear me bragging in Tierra del Fuego... ;^)
 
I have a few different tuners...

The Sabine 'stick-on' type I use on my acoustics, because I only play them at home (or at the campfire). This type of tuner sucks when in a band environment (with the drummer rattling away on his drums, and the bass player plucking away) since the guitar is sensitive to outside sound sources and vibrates along with the bass or drums. It makes it almost impossible to use. As well, in a daylight setting you CAN NOT see the amber, green and red LED indicators.

I have the cheap Fender PT-10 which I use on my pedal board for electric, and I like it quite well. It is a little noisy when engaged, so I use the 'B' output option which shuts off the output when turned on. I find this type of tuner fabulous for gigs - as you can quietly tune in between songs quickly. Warning - this can become an obsessive habit that ticks off your fellow band-mates. I would guess the Boss TU units are better, but Im fine with the Fender.

I also just got my daughter one of those cheaper Korg tuners which acts as a pitch-pipe as well (it can play tones out-loud).

I did spend some time trying out some of the tuning methods mentioned in other threads, but in the end I went back to using my tuners.
 
Ditto on the Boss TU-12. 79 bucks at GC but well worth it in my opinion. It has the standard guitar tuning with a chromatic feature that is really handy for other than standard tuning.

rpe
 
I have the Boss TU-12, the so called industry standard in Aus, very reliable still after approx 20yrs, not the cheapest but one that will last. I beleive Korg make some nifty little LCD tuners relatively cheap.
 
lpdeluxe said:
the Conn was THE standard for many years...while we peons were using tuning forks, the big dogz were using Conns.


YES! It works! It's one of the old ones in the brown box, but it spins up and strobes. I haven't checked it for calibration yet, but the basic operation is fine. I still can't figure out why I was the only bidder and got it for $10 (Shipping was $20), but it's a gift horse...
 
ggunn said:
YES! It works! It's one of the old ones in the brown box, but it spins up and strobes. I haven't checked it for calibration yet, but the basic operation is fine. I still can't figure out why I was the only bidder and got it for $10 (Shipping was $20), but it's a gift horse...
Very cool, congrats!

How, or with what do you check the calibration?
 
The tuner's task is inherently problematic. What makes a tuner good is not the degree of accuracy, because even the cheapest tuners (if they are calibrated) will be far more accurate in measuring a clean tone that any ear can tell. People crowing about the gee-whiz .001-cent accuracy of their tuners are being ignorant because not only can you not hear that level of accuracy, but your guitar can't produce a stable enough tone to take advantage of such accuracy even if it mattered.

What makes a good tuner is how well its algorithm damps and translates an unstable tone, and -- as you point out -- the note from the guitar is not stable, particular on the larger strings (bass is absolute hell in this regard). Even this is a compromise, usually a bad one.

There's a great article by multi-platinum engineer Jack Endino about the impossibility of a played guitar ever really being in tune at all. I've linked to it here before. The problem isn't with the tuner, it's with the instrument.

Then there's the whole heated issue of temperament.

The best guitar tuner at any price is probably G-Tune 2.51. If there's a better one, I've never seen or heard of it. The best thing about G-Tune is that it graphically demonstrates the problems described with the unstable tone from the guitar. You need a clean sine wave to get a meaningful reading, and the guitar doesn't produce it on a lot of notes. By watching the oscilloscope function, you can at least find the least-unstable options among the various-fret harmonics and try to get a meaningful tuning from that.

Tuning a guitar (much less a bass) will always be a compromise and never entirely successful.

Don't blame the tuner.
 
bongolation said:
The tuner's task is inherently problematic. What makes a tuner good is not the degree of accuracy, because even the cheapest tuners (if they are calibrated) will be far more accurate in measuring a clean tone that any ear can tell.



That is flat out wrong. Digital and electronic based tuners (distinct from strobe tuners, which work on a very different principle) are at best accurate to within a cent or two, with cheap ones being off by as much as 2-3 cents. My ear can hear that just fine, thank you ever so much.

Now, the reason they are inaccurate is PARTIALLY the inability of the tuner to distinguish the actually pitch, but the difference in accuracy with a strobe tuner is very apparent.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
cellardweller said:
Very cool, congrats!

How, or with what do you check the calibration?

Aye, there's the rub. Light? Is an A-440 tuning fork good enough?
 
Light said:
That is flat out wrong. Digital and electronic based tuners (distinct from strobe tuners, which work on a very different principle) are at best accurate to within a cent or two, with cheap ones being off by as much as 2-3 cents. My ear can hear that just fine, thank you ever so much.
If you are saying they are out of calibration, it's certainly possible that they are out of tune (as I pointed out) by several cents, but the cheapest tuners I know of that are still produced have accuracy well under a cent in matching a clean input to whatever their internal reference is, which is more than the human ear can accurately distinguish.

Of course, none of this matters when the instrument output is erratically wowing twenty cents or more.
 
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