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... and I are wishy washy.

I am trying to decide between these two configs...

Common Ground
Behringer 'Truth' monitors... I have to economize somewhere, but open to recommendations
Sennheiser HD280Pro headphones
Roland V-Club drums
Furman HDS6 Headphone Distribution System
Epiphone Les Paul studio guitar
Digital Audio Workstation (800mhz P4 w/1GB RAM, (1) 120 GB SATA @ 7,500 rpm/8MB cache, (1) 32 GB SATA @ 10,000 rpm/8MB cache... yeah, I've been persuaded to go with the Raptor), running WinXP Pro and Sonar 3.

Option 1
Two Neuman TLM103 into a Focusrite MH435 Platinum OctoPre 8 channel mic preamp, into a MOTU 2408 MKIII digital audio interface

...OR...

Option 2
One Royer R-122 Active Ribbon w/shock mount (pricey!) into an Aardvark Q10, and an Akai EWI3030 Digital PCM sound module and an Akai EWi3020 Electronic Wind Instrument controller.

Both options come to almost the same cost. Budget is about $6,400. The DAW is not included in the budget.
 
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................ Budget is about $6,400......
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Kill the Truths and investigate some Yorkville's.
TLM is a wise choice but would luv to go with a Grace Pre!
Adding a Ribbon to your mic arsenal is wise and as far as instrumentation is concerned, that's left to the opinion of the buyer!
 
...ah, ...gee, ...shucks! You ARE the man!

My wife was absorbed in a special on Janet Jackson the other night on cable and the commentator went into how Ms. Jackson, at eighteen, cut her first album. What struck me was how (apparently) easy it was for her to do so... just make a call, catch a plane, and voila!

But Janet, you see, had a background in recording along with the talent. Her parents had the cash (and drive) to make it happen. Not for a second do I think that the Jackson Five just 'happened'!

My wife has a beautiful voice and passed on having a shot to go to Juilard so as to be with me. My daughters, (or at least the three eldest of the seven girls) say that they want to sing and at least one does so beautifully. So beautifully. I want them to have a shot at their dreams. Maybe I am going about it the wrong way. God knows it's pricey. But we live in a little town, Hell and Gone from New York or Boston, and 'if it is to be, it is up to me'. That budget is a one time shot from the sale of our home and I want so much for them to have a shot at their dreams. I want to upgrade the gear to a prosumer (if not professional) level and show them the possibilities, teach them a little about the technical side of the business.

There seems to be some bitterness in your reply. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope that your dreams come true. I'll look into the Yorkvilles. Thank you for the other advice.
 
Those are kinda weird and random packages. Do you have any intruments right now? Do you have any engineering experience? Your budget is just enough to be dangerous and I would recomend going for a simple but high quality setup that will still have resale value in the unlikely event your daughters don't hit it big. To really produce radio quality demos and albums takes about $10-20k worth of gear and that is just scratching the surface.

I would get something like a Great River MP2 or a Langevin Dual Vocal or a FMR RNP for a preamp. Decide how many channels you want to do at once.

There are a lot of mic choices and the mic forum has some good low price mic threads.

Then you need to get the audio into the computer and a good convertor would be a nice choice. Something like the Apogee mini-me. Then you need a soundcard with SPDIF inputs like the Delta 66.

Then you need some good monitors. There are a lot of choices and you might try a search on the forums here.

If you truly want you daughters to have a great sounding demo then I would spend the money in a real studio. $4k could get you a weak in a very nice studio or a month in a project studio. Then you still have $2k for mastering. If that demo doesn't kick ass then nothing would.
 
TexasRoadkill,

This is a totally unrelated question, but in your previous life were you, by chance, an amardillo?

Ah, well... so much for MY sense of humor.

The primary audience for whatever I buy are three girls, aged 12, 13, and 14. I want them to practice practice practice until they are closer to 18, at least, the better to deal with the pressures if they do find an audience. There are also five other girls coming up behind them who may find joy in singing.

My engineering expertise is limited to some J.C. classes and working on a MD4 with one mic, but my ears are good and I love climbing a learning curve. I do not want to overload myself with gear, I want the minimum to get the job done. That is:

Vocal mic, preferably two.
A preamp, single or dual channel. Should not be part of the soundcard if possible. If I have learned anything, it is that the preamp is the make-or-break part of the signal.
A soundcard to the...
DAW
and headphones and monitors.

My son (alone with seven sisters) wants to play drums, and the 14 year old girl wants to play guitar.

Buying quality that maintains resale value is absolutely essential. In the (likely) event that nothing comes of all this, perhaps one of the kids will pursue a career in audio engineering and use the gear for a pro studio. At the very least I could recoup most of the value by selling.

I found your 'weird and random' comment interesting. It implies, to me, that certain mics should not go into certain preamps, which in turn should not go into certain soundcards. I was looking for quality components, specially the preamp and mics, that I could buy without sacrificing other parts of the studio that I want to put together.
 
With 7 girls I would just invest in Tampax and Revlon and buy a shotgun but that's just me. By random I was saying that those packages seemed to all have different goals in mind.

Considering your goals I would look at:

Soundcraft M12 mixer
Delta 1010 soundcard
FMR RNP preamp
FMR RNC compressor
Or forget the RNP/RNC and get a Langevin Dual Vocal (or get them all)
Senn HD280 headphones

That would be a good core setup and with some decent monitors and mics you would be all set to go.

Some mics to consider
MXL V93 (vocals, guitar, drums)
SP C1 (vocals, guitar, drums)
MXL 603 (2) (guitars and drum overheads)
Sennheiser 421 (vox, elec guit, drums)
Shure 57 (vox, elec guit, drums)
ATM25 or Senn E602 (kick drum)

You could get all of that and have some left over for cables, instruments and software. All of that stuff can probably found used and would be easy to resell. I prefer to buy used when possible because you pay less and lose less when you resell it.
 
TexasRoadkill,

None of the stuff you spec'd out was on eBay other than new, and the new stuff was higher than the mass merchandizers, so... it looks like new gear all the way.

Thanks for your help, your way looks like a great way to go. Maybe you'll see some tracks from the girls one of these days.
 
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