Channel Strip

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Peter Lake

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Hello happy people, I really need some good advice here!

I want to buy a good (around $1000) channel strip to use with my ADAT recorders.
I have a Behringer Eurodesk 8000 mixerdesk and I'm sick and tired of the Behringer sound!!!
I was wondering if anyone of you guys have some experience with "Focusrite Tonefactory", or "ART PRO Channel"? (Or perhaps a completly different brand)..
Last week I tested the "TLAudio 5051" and I did'nt like it..The EQ was useless!!!
I play metal music with really brutal guitars so I'll need a good EQ in the channel.

Thanx
/Peter
 
Hmmm.. TLAudio is quite decent stuff, I'm surprised you didn't like it... check out the stuff at Mercenary (http://www.mercenary.com) - Fletcher's product list is impeccable.

Bruce
 
channel Strip

Well... I did like the pre-amp on the TLAudio, but not the EQ,
In my view a EQ should contain sweepable mids, tomorrow I will try the "Joemeek Studio Channel" hopefully it will contain a more usefull EQ...

/Peter
 
Meek

Yeah! I really dig the "69 Merc", Acceleration, Speed, breaks hahahaha!
By the way, I've tested the "Joemeek Studio Channel" and I really like the the sound, yes it colour the sound, but for the better, the metal guitars literally jump out from the speakers, fucking BRUTAL!!!
The TLAudio was the total opposite, the guitars sounded dull and boring.
So I desided to purchase the meek...
Mmmm... Nice to be really satisfied with a purchase. (That's very unusual you know! :)
 
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For $1000 the best channel strip you could find, in my opinion, would be:
Grace 101 with a Speck ASC parametric, or
Spend a tad extra and go with:
Brent Averill racked Neve 1272 with a Speck ASC, or
a Burr Brown modded Presonus MP20 with the Speck ASC.
The Neve 1272 module being your best bet, and you'll dirty your little diaper when you hear it. Much character.
For another $200 or so you can get a Langevin dual mono, too.
Peace,
Paul
 
By the way, if you can/want to spend $1000, why are you looking at $500 units? The Neve or Grace with Speck will blow the other stuff out of the water. I can't begin to tell you how much better your tracks will sound with a Neve on em.
www.brentaverill.com
Also, I forgot to mention, and this would be smart, too... get an Averill racked Api preamp, and perhaps, again, a Speck EQ.
The RNMP will be out sometimes in late 2009, if you want to wait 8 more years.
The 69 Merc you mentioned is way outta the price range and has a crappy preamp, according to word on "the street" :)
Peace,
Paul
 
Well.. The thing is, I had'nt that much to chose from, the music store in my town (the only music store in this town btw) is'nt that well equiped with quality pre amps, they had Behringer, TLAudio and the Meek pre..
And I needed the pre amp ASAP because I'm in the middle of the recording process of my band "Theory In Practice", the first time I'm in the control of producing one of our albums :-)
But as I said erlier, the meek added something to my guitarsound that I really like.

Take it Sleezy..
/Peter Lake
http://theoryinpractice.cjb.net/
 
Is it possible to rent? ...I gotta second the vote for the Grace but you will proboly have to wait on it {order it}

Good luck on your record !
Don
 
Well..

I can tell you this pretty much in confidence, and I would not say it about any other piece of equipment... I would be willing to bet that you don't even NEED to hear the Neve 1272 1st, I would just order it. Brent Averill will have it fixed up nice, clean, and in a rack with a power supply. $1000. It most likely will never depreciate, not much anyway. Might even go up in price as they get more rare. If you look in the right places, you can even rent it to people for sessions.
If you don't like it, and you will, I'll buy from you in January or Febuary ;) The Grace is probably your next best bet, along with the API unit, which is about $800 racked up by Brent.
Peace,
Paul
 
Hey tube,

I think we can safely award you HR BBS Gear Slut of the Year for your mic pre addiction... ;)

I don't mean to shoot down your mic pre plans, but don't you think that you're gonna be on the ass end of the point of diminishing return with a couple thousand invested in mic pre's? Seriously, I can't see anything better or more expensive than an RNMP being a worthwhile investment for the homerecordist. If I were you I would definitely plunk down the $30 for Lynn Fuston's mic pre comparison cd before I started making $1000 decisions. Even if the pre's you're looking at aren't on the CD, I think listening to it might remind you how slight the actual sonic differences are between various pre's and give you an idea of what type of pre you're looking for. If I were in a position to buy a couple nice mic pre's, I think I would make sure that I at least got:

1. 2 channels (or more) of decent transparency, and even an M-Audio DMP2 or a Symetrix SX202 (modded with Burr-Brown opamps) would work quite well for this IMHO.

2. 2 channels of more colored sound, probably something with transformer input/output, like an API or perhaps the RNMP (which is transformerless but I hear its a much more colorful piece of gear than the RNC). Also, some earlier production Presonus MP20's and MP80's have actual Jensen transformers and are said to be quite good.

3. 2 channels of tubeness. Yep, and real tubeness, not anything from ART. Look into a Peavey VMP-2, which is a true class-A, all-tube mic pre. You can even cover up the brand name if it embarasses you. ;)


My take on gear is that, if you do the research and buy the right stuff, you can get 90% of the quality for 10% of the price. I guess if you have the money there's nothing wrong with getting 100% and a lot of this stuff has a high resale value so there's not too much risk involved, but its always good to maintain your liquidity.

Personally, I think quality homerecording requires at most one "gold channel" and as many channels of adequacy as necessary. I can see the following signal chain being very cost effective in relation to its quality:

RNMP (assuming its as good as rumoured) -> RNC (when needed) -> Lucid AD2496 -> Soundcard


That's, what, about $1300-1500 depending on the soundcard. Now you've got the signal, or rather data representing the signal, into the computer and you can do incredible things with it that might require another $10,000 or more to duplicate with outboard gear. To me, that's a major goal: getting the very best signal amplified, limited or lightly compressed (when needed to make use of every bit), convertered, and into the computer.

BTW, be sure to check out sjoko's recent post on converters. Interesting stuff.

Hell, I'm sure you know everything that I'm saying already but I just wanted to give you the "budget" perspective on things. Also, I gotta wonder, what mics do you have or plan to get to plug into all these nice pres?
 
ok,

let me suggest a symetrix 528 off ebay for about $250



It has everything

3 bands of eq
all sweepable
all parametric
all mutable

sweepable deesser
with level setting

compressor


that leaves you $750 to get a grace designs 101 or mindprint envoice or joemeek vc1q. The vc1q is really nice.
 
oh,

I see that you already bought the vc1q. Great buy.

have you tried it out on bass guitar. The definition of power

also listen to shakestheclown's mp3 done on the vc1q. They show that you can get clean(or what you hear on Great American Country channel) sound.
 
123

Yep... I am, indeed, addicted... but I'm not the only one. :)
I've been forced for MANY years to try to make things sound really good with crappy equipment. From experience, I know I have wasted tons of money on junk that didn't cut the mustard. That extra 10% you mention is that area of kings that I always notice missing in mine and most everyone elses recordings.
I've gone out checking alot of preamps out. I've been developing a list of stuff I'm gonna get, and a single channel (maybe a dual, depends on $$) Neve is a definite color I'm going to have, along with the RNMP that no one knows nothing about yet, and I'm probably going to use a couple of Presonus MP20's with Burrs in it as my "filler" preamps. I'll probably eventually add maybe 2 more top end pre's to play around with, but I'm not gonna go TOO far and have a whole rack of Neve 1073's or anything. But I can dream ;)
That 10% is elusive, and I'm tired of fucking chasing it. It is time.
 
Oh yeah... an Avalon M5 is on my list after I aquire everything else I want. It'll be one of the last things, but its on there. Check it out if you ever get near a store that has them.
2 Specks, 2RNC's and a cheaper graphic EQ are on my main list, too. Along with the Lucid AD, and a clock that I havent decided on yet. Still reading comments on clocks since I'll never really be able to compare. (waiting on George massenburgs opinon of the Genx6).
It'll probably be June before I have my initial list taken care of, and probably next December before I can get into the Avalon.
Peace,
Paul
 
Dolemite- What mic(s) are you using with the VMP-2. We have one here (although it never gets used). It was the first pre-amp in the studio. It was quickly replaced by a TL-Audio 2051, which is a great pre. I would like to use it for something other than a coffee table, but the TL just blows it out of the water for every comparison. Give me some ideas, so I know where you're coming from.

Peter-

I play metal music with really brutal guitars so I'll need a good EQ in the channel.

Do you think that people that play country music don't need good eq ;-)

Sorry... I really am kidding; I just couldn't resist... I don't even like country music... I swear ;-)

Anyway, the eq on the TL is designed to make minor but crutial adjustments to the sound. Every time you use eq, you are actually introducing phasing to the track. At extremes, this will sound very unmusical (unless it's intended for a special effect, etc)

If you require that much eq, try moving the mic, try a different mic, or even a different cab. There are also a number of tricks and techniques for getting that "brutal" sound you're looking for. What type of setup are you using with the pre (guitar, head, cab, and mic)?

Brad Gallagher
http://www.just-for-musicians.com/
 
Hey guys,

I don't know if you have heard, but Joemeek has put out a new VCTwinQ. Two mic pre's using the current sense impedance matching circuit. Go to: http://www.joemeek.net/press/csmode.htm

Very clean, and transparent. In addition to the two mic pre's, you get two dual mono full blown Joemeek compressors that are stereo linkable, with dual three band Meequalizers, two instrument 1/4" inputs and D.I., and a two channel SPDIF "optional" 24/96k digital card. Retail $999.99, and about $750 to $799 on the street.

This is a great vocal, guitars, and two mix box, all in one. For more info, go to:http://www.joemeek.net/joemeek/products/twinqinfo.htm
 
alan,

now that looks like a powerful box. I would love to get my hands on that one.

Has the characteristic joemeek sound been preserved?
 
CyanJaguar

Not only has the sound been preserved, but the compressor offers a 15:1 limiting ratio on slope 5. It really does rock.

The unit is very flexible and at $999.99 retail, it is a real value.
 
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