channel inserts?

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on my behringer (I KNOW!) mx2004a mixer, the channel inputs have line and XLR ins... but, on the back of the baord, there are channel inserts... what exactly are these?
 
I don't know that board, but inserts are usually for connecting effects to the board with a Y-cable, i.e send and return on one cable.
 
you use these to insert effects pre fader...they use trs (stereo) jacks with the tip as a send, and the ring as a return (or is it the other way around?), the other end of this lead should have two mono jacks, one to plug into the input of the effect, and one for the output....you can also use them as direct outs, but this is pre fader, so you can't e.q. the signal.....there are wiring instructions for these leads (including wiring the trs's as direct outs) in the manual for the mixer, toward the back, if you didn't get the manual, then i'm sure you can download it from the behringer website...
 
i got the manual.. but i dont like the way it is written...


so, theoretically, i could use the inserts as direct outs? so i could basically use the board JUST for the preamps (i know it's a behringer) and nothing else?

might look into that
 
Thats what i use my behringer for. Insert out into mutitrack. This way it bypass the eq and channel fader.
 
Yep I've got the same board and I do exactly that...example :

Bass drum mic>chl1>chl1 insert>delta 44 input1/2(left)
Snare drum mic>chl2>ch2 insert>delta 44 input1/2(right)
Rack toms mic>chl3>chl3 insert>delta 44 input3/4(left)
Overhead mic>chl4>chl4insert>delta 44 input3/4(right)

The only problem I've come up with is that very occasionaly the signal from the bass drum mic is slightly too hot even with no gain added, and the fader don't work as they are cut out of the equation. I usually have to tell our heavy footed drummer to relax a bit :).

pAp
 
Send or Return

Dr.,

they use trs (stereo) jacks with the tip as a send, and the ring as a return (or is it the other way around?)
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I think its the other way around. When you get a simple mono Jack-mono Jack cable, and you insert it into a channels (or the main) Insert but only to the first click (so that it's hanging out halfway) , you get a direct out, which doesn't cutoff the internal signal path, hence the Ring is the send and the Tip is the return.


EZP
 
i have a delta 44 as well and i thought that it would be easier to get the levels up on the board... so i pan track 1 hard left and send it to bus 1. then i pan track 2 hard right and send it to bus 1. bus 1 goes into inputs 1 and 2 on my delta. then track 3 i pan hard left and send to bus 2 (alt 3-4) and with track 4 i pan hard right and send to bus 2 (alt 3-4). alt 3-4 goes into inputs 3 and 4 of the delta. then i edit them into separate tracks in samplitude.

but if i want to monitor i do that throught th emixer, so then i dont want to have what is being played recorded (nor a feedback loop) so i gues sthis is where the channel inserts would come in handy...

sorry about my blabbering..
 
This is something I have been wondering about

I have a Mackie 24/8 mixer which I use with a MTU 2408. For now, I have all 24 line ins coming from a patch bay into the mic/line inputs. I have, I guess these are called the sub outputs or something like that, but in any event, they are the outputs from the 8 buses going into another patch bay with is fully normaled (I believe is the term of art) and then from the patch bay, into the inputs of the 2408. The outputs of the 2408 are connected again through a patch bay and then into (wait let me check)...yes, these go into the "tape returns" Is this the correct way? Is there a correct way? Is there a better way? And, what should I be doing with the inserts and direct outs?

I am very new to setting up and using recording equipment of this type and would appreciate some insight into what I can only describe as, at least for me, the "wiring dilemma" or "connection reflections"...
 
yes, what would the best setup be for me?

behringer mx2004a into m-audio delta 44
 
PapillonIrl said:
Yep I've got the same board and I do exactly that...example :

Bass drum mic>chl1>chl1 insert>delta 44 input1/2(left)
Snare drum mic>chl2>ch2 insert>delta 44 input1/2(right)
Rack toms mic>chl3>chl3 insert>delta 44 input3/4(left)
Overhead mic>chl4>chl4insert>delta 44 input3/4(right)
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I guess this would be the best setup for you lucid. :)
 
ok, if i do that, then lets say i set up 4 tracks to record in samplitude...

track 1 for PCM in 1/2
track 2 for PCM in 1/2

track 3 for PCM in 3/4
track 4 for PCM in 3/4

then, on track 1 i delete the right channel of the stereo track, copy the left channel, and then paste it into the now empty right channel?

then on track 2 i delete the left channel and copy and paste the right channel into the now empty left?

and repeat for tracks 3 and 4?
 
also, LeeKing, where can i buy the Y cables in penang?

leeking, where were you for new years?
 
lucid said:
ok, if i do that, then lets say i set up 4 tracks to record in samplitude...

then, on track 1 i delete the right channel of the stereo track, copy the left channel, and then paste it into the now empty right channel?

then on track 2 i delete the left channel and copy and paste the right channel into the now empty left?

and repeat for tracks 3 and 4?
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gee, that sounds a little complicated, I am not familiar with samplitude but I am sure there's a better way.

If on cakewalk, I would make track 1 mono on left channel and track 2 mono on right channel and so on so forth.
 
lucid said:
also, LeeKing, where can i buy the Y cables in penang?
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you can always make one yourself or you can go to your friendly neighborhood music shop and ask them to do it for you. I always go to Art Tune to get cables... they have done dozens of custom cables for me and my church at no extra charge. :)


lucid said:
leeking, where were you for new years?
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Hmmmm, I am not sure if the whole world wants to know, but I spend new year eve at my apartment with my wife. We can see the fireworks in Esplanade from my place. :) what about you?
 
cool.. will go to art tune then...


i played at the esplanade and then went to batu feringgi... had a great time...
 
lucid said:
ok, if i do that, then lets say i set up 4 tracks to record in samplitude...

track 1 for PCM in 1/2
track 2 for PCM in 1/2

track 3 for PCM in 3/4
track 4 for PCM in 3/4

then, on track 1 i delete the right channel of the stereo track, copy the left channel, and then paste it into the now empty right channel?

then on track 2 i delete the left channel and copy and paste the right channel into the now empty left?

and repeat for tracks 3 and 4?
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Why don't you just record each track in mono (four mono tracks) ?

pAp
 
how do i make samplitude take each delta insert as a mono and not a stereo?
 
From my limited knowledge of Samp...isn't there a small red button on the far left of each track with something like R1 written on it ? I think that brings up the soundcard options for that track.

This is from memory but give it a try, hope this helps.

pAp
 
lucid said:
i played at the esplanade and then went to batu feringgi... had a great time...
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you performed there with your band?

tell me if you have another performance... :)
 
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