Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes to the way I think/work/do

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With me a song could take 10 years or a week to be finished, I always have so many songs on the go at the same time so I can't say I worry about productions being slowed down ! Very rarely do I begin again. It has happened, but rarely.

I get you, and I find myself quite tempted to move on sometimes. I don't trust myself though, I'm one of these people that forgets about what I have left to do if I don't do or finish it properly the first time around. Very short attention span me, I'm not even sure I have the capability to work on more than one thing at a time. This is probably the crux of my problems, come to think of it! :D
 
Hash = the junk in-between the notes/words...string noise, mic noises, etc.
Spot-Editing = fixing just a small slice of the track with processing rather than applying to the whole track..
Comping = Using a few takes/tracks of the same thing to cut up and combine the best portions of into one composite (comp) track.
 
So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?
 
So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?



Oh yeah. All of the time.
Try working with a producer. :facepalm:
 
So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?

Ach yeah, I still comp. I don't get hell bent over perfection anymore but if I make a mistake 3 minutes into a track I'll definitely just start again at the last chorus or whatever.

If I'm doing vocals I'll go phrase by phrase; I just like doing that.
Usually if I'm tracking another singer I'll aim for three good full takes then comp a perfect run out of those three.
 
So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?

Don't look at comping as a way to ignore, and then later fix, obvious mistakes.
Comping is not about making things easier and being able to cheat a lot. Sometimes when I'm tracking, I my hit one note that's out, and I won't necessarily stop because of it, since I know I can comp it later from another track...but otherwise, if the tracks are not good, then I stop and start over.

Comping (at least how I always view it) is about recording a few *best* takes...and then in the DAW coming them into one better take.
It's not about recording a few bad takes and comping them into one that's acceptable.

I will usually track and re-track as many times as needed until I feel I'm getting the "best" takes I can....and that's the point at which I will actually save them. My usual number is 3 best takes....sometimes for vocals, I may do 5 best takes.
I don't save 35 mediocre takes and then try and piece together something usable.

So basically, at any point, I can use any one of my 3-5 best takes as my main or only one....but with the power of the DAW, it's easy to take them one step higher and really polish them off by comping several best takes into one.
 
Ach yeah, I still comp. I don't get hell bent over perfection anymore but if I make a mistake 3 minutes into a track I'll definitely just start again at the last chorus or whatever.

If I'm doing vocals I'll go phrase by phrase; I just like doing that.
Usually if I'm tracking another singer I'll aim for three good full takes then comp a perfect run out of those three.

Oh yeh, most of my tunes have averaged about 1:30 so I guess rerecording is probably quicker than mucking around cutting and pasting. I guess it's a bit idiotic to have a DAW and not use this excellent functionality. Be interesting to see if anyone is adamant about NOT using it though... :D
 
I've certainly worked with bands who were adamant about getting one perfect live take.
I can appreciate why though. They're coming from a rehearsed, live performance background.

You're right; It'll be interesting to see.
 
So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?

I do a lot of it with vocals... not being a great singer. I'm also generally recording the other half of my band and he can never sing the same thing once, let alone twice, and often the best overall track is a combination.

The more you do this, the more you'll settle down into a, for want of a better word, routine. You'll learn exactly where to put your microphones, which is your preferred reverb and how you like setting your tracks up to mix. Once you get there, whilst not ruling out further tweaking/experimentation, you can start crunching out choons more quickly.

Unfortunately it takes a while. Took me at least 5 years to finally work out the best way to record the same acoustic guitar. Now I have it, acoustic guitar takes are much simpler. Etc.:D
 
Unfortunately it takes a while. Took me at least 5 years to finally work out the best way to record the same acoustic guitar. Now I have it, acoustic guitar takes are much simpler. Etc.:D

I knew I wasn't alone, but it sure is nice to get some additional confirmation that others gone before me have experienced the things I am currently. Praise be HR.com! 5 years though, I got a long way to go!
 
I knew I wasn't alone, but it sure is nice to get some additional confirmation that others gone before me have experienced the things I am currently. Praise be HR.com! 5 years though, I got a long way to go!

Well ... your here at HR so you are enrolled in *The Speedrecording Course* ;)
 
Took me at least 5 years to finally work out the best way to record the same acoustic guitar. Now I have it, acoustic guitar takes are much simpler. Etc.:D

I know about this too. Now I place mic in front of guitar, turn up headphones, adjust myself to find the right sound and hit record. I spent years moving mics around and never really being happy. Easier to move yourself :thumbs up:
 
The dreaded SOLO button!!! :eek: :D
I can really hate some tracks when soloing them.....then I bring up the whole mix and realize it's all good.
Yikes! So right! I only use the SOLO button to find a problem noise (or note) when mixing.
 
It's impossible for me to have the same casual attitude about what I'm doing as I did when I started, and it's slowed the production down quite a bit. Everything goes through a severe inspection, if I'm not happy, I start all over. And then I'm still not happy. I'm not really a perfectionist, but I'm becoming a pretty severe one over this. I hope this is temporary and just the steep learning curve that I have to go through to get the basics of recording under my belt. What do you guys reckon?

Anyone else go through the same thing when they first started recording?

Damn girl! You ask some good questions, plus you always generate lots of interesting responses. Please keep asking. It makes for good reading and I often learn something along the way.

Yes, I think some of what you describe is a necessary step in the process. You have to obsess over some of the technical aspects of things at first to at least get to a certain level of comfort with that whole side of it, and then I think it gets easier in that respect eventually, and you can relax a little and concentrate on the more important things.

If you put in the time now being kind of anal about getting things "right", I think you will find that it pays off later and you'll build up a base of knowledge and experience that you can draw upon later without having to work so hard at it. Repeatable stuff and whatnot. Listen to me talking like I've got it all figured out...it may be different for a lot of people, but that is my sense of it. Don't be discouraged.

I'm not even sure I have the capability to work on more than one thing at a time. This is probably the crux of my problems, come to think of it! :D

I don't work on more than one tune at a time either. I'm not sure that I can't, but I don't. When I start something, I finish it eventually no matter what, and only then do I move on. I don't think that's necessarily a problem, you know? Just another way of doing things. Some people probably are just wired to juggle mutliple projects over a long period...others not so much.

So, did a lot of you use comping when starting out, and do you do a lot of it now? Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste. Have I been misguided?

No, no & no. It is cheating. Don't do it.

Just kidding (sort of).
 
Hey, grim. Haven't seen ya 'round here in a hot minute. :D

Whatchu' been up to?
Every so often I take a little break from HR. Sometimes life demands it, sometimes it'll be because of an intensive period of recording. Recently there's been a few books that I downloaded and I want to print them and get them bound but first I had to punctuate and knock them into shape. You'd be amazed how long that can take ! Plus some DIY and playing nursemaid to my son who has just had an op. It's all go, here !

Very short attention span me, I'm not even sure I have the capability to work on more than one thing at a time. This is probably the crux of my problems, come to think of it! :D
Over the years I've just developed working that way. Because of the availability of certain friends, I get a load of songs started at the same time. I remember last summer my mate and I {he was drumming, I was on bass} tracked 13 songs in one session {We did about 25 over about 5 or 6 sessions}. Most of those songs have been worked on subsequently, sometimes those that are singing will do backing vocals to 7 or 8 songs at a go or I might play electric guitar on moreorless the same settings on 5 of them or whatever. It really depends.

Am I foolish to try and do everything in one take? I always thought it was cheating to cut and paste.
To the purist, it's cheating but I think that's daft. Multitracking is, in itself, cheating, so that one's out of the window. A DAW and all that goes with it is like an automatic car. You can drive for thousands of miles without the interplay of clutch, brake and gearstick ~ is that cheating or is that still driving ?
Oh yeh, most of my tunes have averaged about 1:30 so I guess rerecording is probably quicker than mucking around cutting and pasting.
Thing is, even if the song is only a couple of minutes long and cutting and pasting takes a couple of days, what you pick up in the cutting and pasting and other bits of editing will stand you in good stead for the future. I don't think it does any harm in finding out what things do. That has always been the way in recording.
I guess it's a bit idiotic to have a DAW and not use this excellent functionality. Be interesting to see if anyone is adamant about NOT using it though... :D
I can understand why some people would be totally against all the bells and whistles. I used to be. But to me, it's like having a gas cooker with electric hob and fan assissted oven.....and a place to store the pots and pans. At some point, I'm gonna use it all, even if only once. A DAW gives you great scope but it shouldn't militate against efficiency, discipline and speed.

I do a lot of it with vocals... not being a great singer.
Armistice says that alot. Don't listen to him. He's got a brilliant voice and he's also a really creative guitarist. I was listening to some of his instrumental guitar stuff over the weekend. Making instrumentals isn't easy but he made them really listenable. I just love "Transit to Venus".
 
Ah...Grim. Nearly simultaneous posts. Reading back I see that I need to brush up on some automotive metaphors :D!
 
Armistice says that alot. Don't listen to him. He's got a brilliant voice and he's also a really creative guitarist. I was listening to some of his instrumental guitar stuff over the weekend. Making instrumentals isn't easy but he made them really listenable. I just love "Transit to Venus".

Aww shucks GT.. thanks man... I do think "brilliant" is overstating it though! :D

BTW, my band has sort of temporarily perhaps permanently fallen apart so I'm doing some remixing of tunes I recorded with "the other guy" on my new system. I'm doing my songs first in case the bastard doesn't come back - I can then continue on with an album of my stuff - I might stick them up in the MP3 clinic shortly and PM you so you can update your copies.... ;)

Thanks for the rap on T of V too... I'll have to get the DADF#AD guitar out and give it another play before I forget it. Sounds awesome on just a solo guitar...:cool:
 
"Change is inevitable, progress is a choice"

The piece of paper my co-worker has up in her cube next to me says that and I think it applies pretty well here. If you're learning, of course your processes are gonna change, so embrace the change!
 
"Change is inevitable, progress is a choice"

The piece of paper my co-worker has up in her cube next to me says that and I think it applies pretty well here. If you're learning, of course your processes are gonna change, so embrace the change!

Aye, I guess I'm one of these people that needs more than a quote to get off my arse, but I hear the message! :D
 
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