cd-r question

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i was wondering if there is any real difference between burning to a cd-r or burning the the music cd-r's noone at the places i buy them seem to have a real answer
 
as far as I know, they are the same, you just cant make an audio cd from a cd-rw

Damn marketing ploys

-C$
 
ikon said:
i was wondering if there is any real difference between burning to a cd-r or burning the the music cd-r's noone at the places i buy them seem to have a real answer
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Music cdr's are just cdrs that have an additional royalty attached to them to compensate artists - or something like that - I probably got it a bit wrong, but its basically what happens.
 
From http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-17
"Consumer" stand-alone audio CD recorders require special blanks. See section (5-12) for details. There is no difference in quality or composition between "data" blanks and "music" blanks, except for a flag that indicates which one it is. It's likely that "music" blanks are optimized for recording at 1x, since anything you record "live" is by definition recorded at 1x (though some dual-drive systems allow track copying at higher speeds). ...

The "music" blanks are more expensive than the "data" blanks because a portion of the price goes to the music industry. ...
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NL5 is correct.
 
I have a similiar thread to this in the Cave :rolleyes: :eek:

Can ANYONE explain how ANYONE in the "music industry" is getting a cut? I am in the "music industry" :rolleyes: , I dont see no steenkin money. I have asked well-known artists, record label CEOS, read a zillion websites and had a debate with a certified "record industry" guy who worked for a lot of bigtime labels. I dont see anybody getting one cent.

If anyone can help anwer this I will be extemely grateful. I will give you:

ONE GREEN REP POINT
Think about the fame, the money, the CHICKS that go with a REP POINT. You will be a sensation :rolleyes: :D
 
DavidK said:
I have a similiar thread to this in the Cave :rolleyes: :eek:

Can ANYONE explain how ANYONE in the "music industry" is getting a cut? I am in the "music industry" :rolleyes: , I dont see no steenkin money. I have asked well-known artists, record label CEOS, read a zillion websites and had a debate with a certified "record industry" guy who worked for a lot of bigtime labels. I dont see anybody getting one cent.

If anyone can help anwer this I will be extemely grateful. I will give you:

ONE GREEN REP POINT
Think about the fame, the money, the CHICKS that go with a REP POINT. You will be a sensation :rolleyes: :D
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David, I read somewhere, pcworld mag, or maybe pcmag, and they said at one time, 3cents per sold disc was supposed to go to the "music industry". This for lost revenue due to copying. I think they said it would go ti RIAA, and then be distributed to the "Major" labels. I'm not sure they even do this anyomre, as that was a few years back. And the trickle down was not even to smaller labels, just to people like Sony, Elektra, etc....

And this was just in a ask the editors question thingy, so don't know how accurate that was. It probably just made the cd manufacterers more money....if you can imagine that... :D
 
Dogman said:
David, I read somewhere, pcworld mag, or maybe pcmag, and they said at one time, 3cents per sold disc was supposed to go to the "music industry". This for lost revenue due to copying.
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I am gonna get even with them, I am gonna start downloading music. Who's hot today, I am a lil out of touch and want to really burn these bums. Is the Dave Clark 5 still up there? Herman's Hermits? Tijuana Brass? Melanie? Shields and Yarnell? Peggy Lee?

Yup, I am gonna download some ILLEGAL Dave Clark 5 and send these labels TO THEIR KNEES. I WON'T PUT UP WITH THIS. :eek: :D


My GUESS is that MAYBE a Sony gets it. There is no "trickle down", I asked. Even labels like Telarc (classical) sell millions of CDs, and they are maybe .001 percent of a Sony. I know a few of the Producers, one is a friend who plays in the opera with me ( just won 3 grammys). I know they arent getting a cent.
 
DavidK said:
Can ANYONE explain how ANYONE in the "music industry" is getting a cut?
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From http://www.digitalproducer.com/2001/09_sep/features/09_24/cdlaw4.htm:
Two-thirds of the royalties go into the Sound Recording Fund and are distributed from that fund to the American Federation of Musicians (2-5.8 percent), the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (1-3.8 percent); 40 percent of the remaining royalties go to featured recording artists and 60 percent are distributed to music publishers.

The remaining third of the royalties are allocated to the Musical Works Fund and are distributed evenly between music publishers and songwriters. The percentages of distribution within each group of beneficiaries is determined by the groups themselves.
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So, if you're a member of AFM or AFTRA, you can ask your union where your cut is. When they quit laughing, they might be able to shed some light on the subject for you.

I suspect that most or all of the money sticks to the various hands that it has to pass through, and there's simply nothing left for the small fry.

Don

Edit: The link works now.
 
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Don, the linkee no workee :(

I am in the AFM and Aftra. Hmmmm, I just realized where some of the money might go: MPTF ( Music Performance Trust Fund). These are lil concerts in parks and churches that are sponsored by the union, we get paid crappy for them and it takes months to get a check. We call them green-sheet gigs because you literally sign a green sheet.

Those jobs have almost vanished altogether, however. If the ACTUAL AFM is involved in this then I DO know where the money goes. It goes in greedy, sneaky pockets. Trust me, I have been a member for 26 years. :mad:

Thanks Don, that paragraph you quoted is just what I was looking for. You are getting a rep point for that :eek: :D
 
Another factor that nobody has brought up yet is that relatively few music CD blanks are actually sold these days. I don't have exact numbers, but as a percentage of total blank CD-Rs used for recording music, the amount of music CD-Rs recorded in dedicated music CD recorders has to be in the low single digits. There just isn't a whole lot of royalty money to distribute.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Another factor that nobody has brought up yet is that relatively few music CD blanks are actually sold these days. I don't have exact numbers, but as a percentage of total blank CD-Rs used for recording music, the amount of music CD-Rs recorded in dedicated music CD recorders has to be in the low single digits. There just isn't a whole lot of royalty money to distribute.

G.
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I'm pretty sure you are correct here. I remember a few years ago, when media prices were really dropping, that at that time, cd-r music was only around 10%, the rest was data. It's not hard to imagine, that the sales of cd-r music have not gone up. Probably only gone down.
 
"...relatively few music CD blanks are actually sold these days."

That's got to be true. When people ask me what kind of CD-R to bring in for mix copies, I tell 'em "get the cheapest ones." Sure, they don't last, but for mixes they don't have to.
 
Be wary of purchasing "Cheap" cd-rs. About a year ago, I bought 200 cd-rs from a link off of pricewatch.com. I paid i think 18 dollars for the lot. Pretty good deal, I thought. But when I burned my first mix, I noticed that my car CD player told me to fuckoff when I put it in there. Basically I got a bad disc error. These discs would play on one system and not work on others. These worked fine for data CDs when backing up recording sessions, or things of that nature. I have since got some quality discs that I use when sampling mixes.

My advice, get quality over quantity CD-Rs.
 
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