Case and Power Supply or Combo

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Which Case and Power Supply or Combo

Hopefully I'll get started putting a computer together next week if all works out right.

Are there any recommendations for cases w/ or w/out a 350 W power supply that are suitable for audio recording?

Also, are there any recommendations for a power supply if it is advised I go that way.

I want to be as cost-effective as possible.

Thank you in advance for any responses.
 
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goto www.quietpc.com for all things computer quiet. The case should not be a problem. it is the things that you put IN the case that make the noise (ie fans, harddrives, etc.) You don't have to buy from here (they are in the UK) but that will give you an idea of what is quiet for music. also, go to your local pc shop (NOT COMPUSA, FRY'S ETC.) someone independent, and ask there advise on quiet fans and power supplies.
 
Also check out Zalman's direct outlets, such as sharkacomputers.com. QuietPC's prices are a bit high if you're in the United States.

From a computer standpoint, you definitely DON'T want to go with a generic power supply if you can afford not to. Cheap power supplies are more likely to fail (For instance, my mother once bought an eMachines computer against my recommendation ( ;-) ), and the power supply caught fire after a year or so of use). Generic power supplies are also the cause of a lot of "random" computer crashes. People like to call Win98SE an unstable operating system, for instance, when they should be looking at their generic power supplies instead.

I haven't tried the Zalman PSUs personally, so I can't vouch as to its noise level versus the Enermax Whisper. That's what I use. I decided to go with the top name in power rather than the top name in noise prevention, just because regulating power is really important to me. Not only do I hate computer crashes, but I live in a building with pretty old wiring, and I'm afraid of what a spike might do to my computer.

With power supplies, you really do get what you pay for. The Enermax is much heavier than my previous PSU, and obviously more solidly built. All of the power cables are far longer, and all of the leads are gold-plated. Plus it has two fans, where my previous PSU had only one - one fan to draw air away from the general area of the CPU, and another to draw air out of the system. Plus, it's far quieter than my old power supply.

The best part? With my old PSU, I had to reboot my computer (Running Win98SE) about every 24 hours, on average. Now, I have no problem going 3-4 days between reboots.

Happs is correct in a sense, that the case doesn't matter quite as much. I'd advise against getting a generic case, though. The cheaper cases often use a thinner grade of steel, allowing more noise to seep through. There is a difference noise-wise between a good case and a cheap one, trust me.

But that doesn't mean you have to break the bank. To give you an idea, I spent about $70 on my computer case, and about $60 on the power supply. That's not unreasonable at all for what I got.

Lastly, be careful about what you put in the case! :) El-cheapo case fans, video card fans, and chipset fans produce a LOT of noise. Intel retail CPU coolers are generally very quiet, though.
 
Thanks Eurythmic,
You just gave me peace of mind for the decision I made yesterday when I put in my order for an Enermax 350W PSU.

I'm glad to know I made the wise choice.
 
Noisy PSU

Eurythmic

I also have a Enermax Whisper PSU and Volcano 5 CPU cooler. These are pretty loud. It is all inside of one of those generic cases. I will check the website you mentioned though, as Im in the US too. What else would you recommend? A thicker case? Padding on the inside? Harddrive enclosures? Doesn't all that padding trap heat inside anyway? It is sort of a catch-22. More fans=cooler=more noise!

happs
 
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MightyOne: Did you get the standard or the Whisper model? I'm not sure about the noise level of the standard Enermax PSUs, but off the top of my head, I think they might have speed-adjustable fans - so you might be cool either way. I really think you'll be happy with it, though. They put out a great product. And your computer will thank you. :)

There are a lot of corners you can cut when you're building a computer, but a good power supply isn't a cut I'd make - so I'm glad you went with a high-quality unit.

Happs01: I believe the Volcano 5 is a fairly noisy cooler, isn't it? Actually, I guess not... I'm looking at a review right now. I see it's a fairly low-speed fan, but it's been measured at 31 dB(A). That's pretty loud, when you consider that the Enermax Whisper operates at somewhere in the neighborhood of 26 dB(A), and a +10 dB difference is a 10x difference in perceived volume level.

Quick story: When I received my computer case, I found that the manufacturer had thrown in a case fan (which I hadn't ordered, because I already had my cooling solution planned out) for free. The first thing I wanted to do once I built my machine was play around and overclock a bit - not to the speed I would eventually be operating at, but as fast as I could get it, just to see what the machine could do. Sort of like how when you're test driving a new car, you might gun it up to 90 on the highway even if you don't plan to ever drive at that speed again. Anyway, I figured the extra cooling wouldn't hurt, so I connected the free case fan along with all my other stuff.

My case is one of those translucent plastic numbers.

http://www.dumpcomputers.com/traniior.html

Damn, and they just slashed the price on it, almost in half!! Wish I would've known that was coming!

Anyway, it's got a couple of little vents on the side, but mainly, it's a very well-sealed case, due to the plastic layer over the steel. The main opening is at the back, where the PSU's exhaust fan is. I turned on the machine, and this hellish roar came out. Because the sound escapes where the air does - the back exhaust - It seemed like the noise was coming from the PSU, and I thought "Oh my gosh, I've been ripped off". Then I got curious, opened the computer up, disconnected the free el-cheapo case fan, and .... ahhhhhh. Quiet.

So, there are two main lessons here:

One, your computer is, in a way, only as quiet as the quietest component you have. A loud CPU cooler is going to take away a lot of the benefit of having a near-silent power supply.

Two, and I'll go more into this in a second: If you've ever seen the movie For Love of the Game, "A lot of little bottles equals a big bottle". A lot of quiet fans is just about as bad as one loud one.

My computer is very Zalman-ed out. I've got a Zalman Flower CPU cooler, a Zalman video card heatsink, and Zalman fans blowing over both the CPU and the video card. And I can tell you that the Zalman stuff isn't the quietest part of my system - the Enermax Whisper is. I use the video card fan because my video card is just a Voodoo3 - it isn't fast enough for newer games unless I overclock it. If I run it at the normal speed, and disconnect the Zalman fan that I have running over it, the noise level of my computer drops quite a bit, even though the Zalman fans are identical.

So, what can you do to make your comptuer quieter? Lots. Problem is, everything costs money. :) Happs, in your case, I'd recommend checking out a new CPU cooler. If you have a Celeron for instance, and it came with an Intel retail cooler, you might switch to that. My previous CPU was a retail Celeron 466, and the retail cooler that came with it was very, very quiet. So is the Zalman, but I wouldn't say it's quieter. It's probably going to be quieter than any current retail CPU cooler though, for your typical P4 or Athlon. In silent mode, the Zalman fan has been measured at 20 dB(A). The NoiseControl Silverado is supposed to be extremely quiet as well. You can get it from www.chillblast.com - as far as I know, they're the only retailer for both the US and UK. Problem is, the price is about $65-70, and I'm never going to spend that much for a CPU cooler.

Side note: If you smoke, you're probably going to have to clean your fans once in a while to keep them running as quiet as possible. The nicotine makes dust sticky, and it collects on fans, which increases air friction and noise.

Of course, as elevate mentioned, there's also water cooling. Lots of people do it, and it's quiet. But I dunno... call me old-fashioned, but I want water to be as far away from my computer as possible. Water cooling just scares me too much. I can't afford to lose my data, not to mention the hardware that cost me so much money. The other problem is, water cooling doesn't make your computer fan-less, because you still have the fans in your computer's power supply. Of course, some people have opened their power supplies up and water cooled them too, but that's an extremely dangerous thing to try. And even if you DO water cool your CPU, video card, and power supply, it's probably still not safe to have a fan-less computer. Air has to circulate somehow. Furthermore, a water cooler will have a moving part - a pump - which generates noise, too. Plus, I believe that most of them have a fan of some sort on the radiator.

Lots of people watercool their computers. I just wouldn't, personally.

If your motherboard has a chipset fan, you can remove it and put a heatsink on. That's a quick way to cut noise. Zalman makes a chipset heatsink. Case fans also add to noise.

Putting acoustic insulation on the inside of your case is also a possibility, but I worry that it might add too much heat. It's a lot of work, too, because you really have to put the foam EVERYWHERE to hear a difference. That means cutting it up into lots of little pieces, and wedging it into every nook and cranny possible.

One thing you can do, though, is build an enclosure to put over your entire case, with acoustic foam lining the inside of the enclosure, to use during recording. It's recommended that you leave the back of the enclosure somewhat open so air can get out, though, so it's not a completely silent solution - and it'll also add to heat.

There's always the possibility of buying a laptop CPU that doesn't require a fan, but I don't know much about that.

As for actual realistic noise reduction methods that normal people can do, making sure you have a good case is high up on the list. Here's one way you can tell if yours isn't up to snuff - when you unscrew the back, assuming your case has a one-piece "upside-down U" shaped cover, do the sides pop right out? Is the case really light, when you pick it up? Does the cover (or do the cover sections, if it's more than one part) bend easily? That's thin-guage steel. It shouldn't bend easily. This really makes a difference in the noise level of your computer. The other thing about a cheap case is, the internal mountings are going to be thinner, too. Vibrations, from your hard drives for instance, will be transmitted more easily.

Having a bigger case can help a little, too. A mid tower or full tower will have better airflow than a baby tower, requiring less fans. And the extra space on the inside might also give the noise from the fans a little extra room to die before it reaches your ears (or microphones).

You can mount your fans and hard drives with rubber grommets, to absorb vibrations before they are transferred to your case. The potential concerns there are that the hard drive might rely on rigid mounting for actuator positioning, which would mean its performance would be decreased, and that if the drive isn't mounted to metal, it might not be grounded properly - so you might have to add a grounding wire of some sort. And I'm no electrician, so I don't know anything about that.

Some hard drive makers, such as IBM, have utilities that allow you to enable "acoustic management". I have a friend who uses IBM drives - he and I are working on a little Quiet PC project of our own, actually, that I'll mention on the BBS if it comes to fruition - and he found that acoustic management did quiet his drives considerably. Doing this has to slow down the drive in some way, though - I'm not sure if it slows the drive enough to matter. I use Western Digital drives personally, which don't have acoustic management. But I've found the 200BB and 600BB, both at 7200RPM, to be very quiet. You might consider looking at a Seagate ATA IV hard drive, as they use fluid bearings, which are reportedly very quiet, instead of ball bearings.

I don't personally see any problem with enclosing your hard drive. It might shorten the drive's life, but if you assume that you're going to replace your hard drive in a year or two either way, it might not matter. QuietPC sells the Molex SilentDrive with a little temperature strip (I'm not sure if Molex does this when you buy direct - I haven't checked, as I've not had the $70-ish to drop on a couple of SilentDrives yet). You put the strip on your hard drive, put the hard drive in the enclosure, and run it for a while. The strip marks the highest temperature that your drive reached during operation. If the temperature is higher than the manufacturer's recommended limit, you can send the SilentDrive back for a refund. Sounds pretty safe to me.

I absolutely wouldn't do it unless you plan to back up your data often, though. Hard drives are unpredictable, enclosed or not. Enclosing it WILL increase heat slightly, which may or may not decrease the life of the drive. The drive may fail after six months of being enclosed, but it might have failed after six months anyway. You just never know.

One possibility is, if you have two hard drives, to enclose the drive that you use for music data, and leave the other out in the open - and just leave the music drive empty when you aren't recording. That's the drive that's going to be gurgling the most when you're working on music, anyway. And if you only use it for recording, it's a relatively small deal if it fails.

Well, that's enough of an essay for the moment. Hope it helps.
 
One thing to remember is that if by any chance you have on of the newerish 845 mainboards by pentium you have to get a power suppy that has a 2x2 square 12v connector in addition to the regular 20 pin deal. Without it nothing will boot. What a pain in the ass.
-Angermeyer
 
Oh yeah, good call. I'm pretty sure that basically every Enermax PSU has one of those nowadays, though. Mine does, at least. It wasn't a special option or anything.
 
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