Carbosticks!!

[Tim Brown]

Ok... this will be my final post in this thread because I'm sick of people who are not willing to listen and open their mind for one tiny inch. Before you say I'm the same... I've tried out the carbo sticks and know what I'm talking about. I've also witnessed AA sabians being totally destroyed in front of my eyes by a guy using aheads, and it wasn't his first time either. It never happened again since he went back to good old vic firths though.



Thank you for prooving my theory. A wooden stick is a shock-absorbing material wich is a LOT softer then cymbals. When you get into the music, it's quite common to start smaking the crashes and china's pretty hard.
If you use carbo sticks or a like, wich are a LOT harder then wood, they can not absorb the same amount of vibration as common wood sticks. This excess of vibration goes straight to the cymbal you are hitting, hence the impact becomes much bigger, wich causes a lot more vibration to the cymbal.

When you play rimshots with these, that excess of vibration goes straight to your wrists, because the hoops of your drum will not absorb vibrations like a moving cymbal will. You will never brake a hoop into pieces. What can possibly happen though is that your hoop will get dented from doing rimshot, wich in turn will affect the tuning of the drum. A dented hoop is as good as a broken hoop.

This does NOT mean that if you start playing with such sticks that you will brake a cymbal in the 5 minutes that follow. Most of the time you will not even brake anything.

If you play with horrible technique and wood sticks, chances are big that you will brake a cymbal. If you play with horrible technique and aheads, we don't speak of chances anymore. It's a certainty that your cymbals will brake.

If you play with fairly good technique and wood sticks, your cymbals are safe (assuming there are no weak spots in it due to production errors or stuff). If you play with fairly good technique and aheads... you have an "elevated" chance of breaking a cymbal.

As for the wrists: for people who are subject to easy injury and/or are weak boned and stuff, these sticks are total hell and will lead to a condition of wich I don't know the english name. That is a certainty of 110%

Your example of the wallet is void and you know it, because wallets are not a hard material that can crack when you smack them or drop them. You may take a 10-ton hammer and smack your wallet with it and it won't do a thing.
If you can't understand that, then I also don't expect you to understand the issue with carbo sticks.

Thank you and good night.


Happy drumming

Hmmm funny, because you seem to be the one unwilling to listen, you're just wanting to spout your opinion.
Okay you've played for 9 years. Great!
I've played 3 times that amount of time. That and about $5 and I can get some "pseudo-coffee-flavored liquid" at Starbucks. (Sorry Starbucks fans - they have a ton of drinks, but none of it actually tastes like a regular old cup of COFFEE! )

I've broken a few cymbals using wooden sticks over the years, but after 20 years of using Aquarian Graphite sticks (which I record with exclusively, because I like the sound they have on the cymbals) I have not broken a cymbal yet with them.



Tim

 

[heroics321]

Kevlar and like platics are about twice as dense as maple, so of course wood is going to have slightly more give. how much? About as much as those little scars on the stick. You can easily break hardware, cymbols, and sticks with impropper technique from any type of stick... It has more to do with the force, direction, and angle of hit (as well as how you choke up on the stick and how your cymbols are mounted), than it has to do with matterials.

 

[scrubs]

As for the wrists: for people who are subject to easy injury and/or are weak boned and stuff, these sticks are total hell and will lead to a condition of wich I don't know the english name. That is a certainty of 110%

This thread cracks me up.

 

[dgatwood]

Kevlar and like platics are about twice as dense as maple, so of course wood is going to have slightly more give. how much? About as much as those little scars on the stick. You can easily break hardware, cymbols, and sticks with impropper technique from any type of stick... It has more to do with the force, direction, and angle of hit (as well as how you choke up on the stick and how your cymbols are mounted), than it has to do with matterials.

If the inability of the stick to give were the primary cause of cymbal breakage, it seems like one could just make the aluminum tubes hollow. Alternately, use silver instead of aluminum, as it is slightly softer than hickory in terms of compression hardness, as best I can calculate. (Hickory seems to have a Brinell hardness of about 30.8 MPa. A brazilian walnut stick, 137, would have a hardness a little over half that of aluminum, 245.)

 

[heroics321]

If the inability of the stick to give were the primary cause of cymbal breakage, it seems like one could just make the aluminum tubes hollow. Alternately, use silver instead of aluminum, as it is slightly softer than hickory in terms of compression hardness, as best I can calculate. (Hickory seems to have a Brinell hardness of about 30.8 MPa. A brazilian walnut stick, 137, would have a hardness a little over half that of aluminum, 245.)

Psht. Aluminum? What kind of garbage are you spewing? Honeycombed titanium sticks are where it's at...

 

[tom5]

Hell, I invite you to take a copper bar and start smacking your cymbals "with good technique" without breaking them... You said "any type of stick" right? Well, go for it man, be my guest.[/QUOTE]

you gotta be kidding me dude...



Can we agree that Dave Weckl has good technique? Maybe ask him how long his wood sticks last. As for that matter, maybe you can ask yourself as well why all the fine players play with wood sticks and only the three biggest morrons of the drumming community endorses aheads (tommy lee, lars ulrich and joey jordisson).[/QUOTE]

Have you just proved my point? Dave Weckls technique is way more advanced than tommy lee, lars ulrich, and joey jordison ( sorry fans, but you gotta see him play!) As well, stick choice is....well a choice. Its not like you would ever use anything that didnt feel right to you, its complete preference.

Although I said Dave Weckls technique is more advanced, Tommy Lee, Lars Ulrich and Joey Jordison are still all good drummers that really know how to play. And here's my other point....why do you think they play aheads live? Not because they break easily... obviously... and if they are the bigggest "morrons" of the drumming community, then they probably would break things, because they are morons right...they don't know how to play properly....

 

[NegadivOne]

Well Ive been playing drums for about 7 years now. For the first half of that time I played with wood sticks and since then Ive been playing exclusively with aheads. With wood sticks i went through 5 or 6 cymbals, and since Ive been using aheads Ive only broken 1. Aheads also absorb vibration WAY better than wood sticks. Since using aheads, I wont even touch wood sticks anymore.

 

[mjm620]

my dad was one of the drummers who helped test those sticks for roy burns a while back. I think you can still find stuff about him in the archive http://www.aquariandrumheads.com/concepts/archive_list.asp anyway I use those sticks and there are great. I am a hard hitter and they last a lot longer than drumsticks. Usually its a stick or 2 per song/set. With these sticks I am looking at around a year per stick

I haven't tried Carbosticks, but I do use Aquarian X-10 Graphite sticks with Red Shock sleeves.

http://www.aquariandrumheads.com/products/display.asp?id=26

I've used them for over 20 years. They are great sticks. I've got 1 pair that is literally 20 years old.


Gil Moore from Triumph was endorsing them, and I tried them out and loved them.


Tim

 

[mjm620]

Hmmm funny, because you seem to be the one unwilling to listen, you're just wanting to spout your opinion.
Okay you've played for 9 years. Great!
I've played 3 times that amount of time. That and about $5 and I can get some "pseudo-coffee-flavored liquid" at Starbucks. (Sorry Starbucks fans - they have a ton of drinks, but none of it actually tastes like a regular old cup of COFFEE! )

I've broken a few cymbals using wooden sticks over the years, but after 20 years of using Aquarian Graphite sticks (which I record with exclusively, because I like the sound they have on the cymbals) I have not broken a cymbal yet with them.



Tim

Do you use the cymbal springs too? They are amazing.